F.I.R.E. 🔥 Q&A with Nilesh #0006

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F.I.R.E. 🔥 Q&A with Nilesh #0006

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Today's

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Hello, guys. You are welcome to ask for a speaker if you want to speak. This is a Q&A

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and I'll begin shortly, like in three minutes from now. We started a little bit early to

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give enough time for people to join in. I'm going to request Akshay to help me co-host

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this. So I'm going to invite Akshay now as a co-host. Akshay KTWT. Okay, that's the name.

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So invite Akshay K. Invited as a co-host. Let us see who else is here. I hope you can

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hear me. If you cannot hear me, just let me know. I think you can hear me. Who else? So

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okay, good. Priya says she can hear me. Nice. If I am sounding too faint, tell me to speak

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up. This is my first Twitter space. I just tested one like a few minutes ago.

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Okay, great. Great. Everything is great.

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Okay, clean sound. That's good. Good to know. Sound sometimes, you know, especially in a

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global network like this can be challenging sometimes. You know, Elon runs a million people

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of Twitter space and sometimes he has problems. Because technology, right? When you need something,

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it will not work. What's the law that goes by this essence? Like when you want something

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to work, it doesn't work. What is that law? There's a law behind it. Do you know? Does

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anyone know? When you want something, it will not work exactly the way you want. So like

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if you take a piece of bread and you put butter on top and you accidentally drop it, which

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side will fall on the ground? Is it the butter side or the non-buttery side? That's the question.

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You know the answer is the buttery side will go to the ground. And that's a fact.

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Yes, exactly. Because of weight. Yes, maybe not. But the real answer to my

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question was what is the law behind it? What is the name of that law? It's called Murphy's

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law. Murphy. M-U-R-P-H-Y. You can search for it. Murphy's law. It's almost like a meme,

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but it's very real. That's how it works. So when Bill Gates goes and demonstrates Windows

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something something XP, I think on the stage with millions of people watching. And what

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happens is the very first thing. You know what happened? Do you? Anybody? You can tweet

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out and put this thing called Nest. So there is a thing called Nest in here somewhere.

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I've seen it. The thing that happened with Bill Gates when he was presenting Windows

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XP was blue screen of death. I'm sure you must have seen those videos on somewhere.

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So it is nine o'clock. I mean, nine o'clock for my time. Your time is probably different.

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But we need to start. So let me introduce myself. My name is Nilesh and I'm doing this

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Twitter space first time. Any space. I'm running it first time. The question somebody

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asked the other day was. How do we think about retirement? You know, what is retirement?

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What does it mean to you? What does it mean to me? Everybody has a different definition.

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And so I think we should begin discussing this with a simple idea about defining what

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requirement is. And I'll do that with a story. A story that goes like this. And by the way,

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I should like set some, you know, some, some concepts here, which is, you know, if you

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want to ask a question, you know, come up on stage and ask. I think our, you know, friendly

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co-hosts we have here, Akshay. He'll let you in. And Akshay will, you know, honor you

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in terms of, you know, if you have one, raise your hand and ask a question, you know, he'll

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keep track of who's asking the question first. And he'll let him speak. And you can interrupt

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me anytime you feel like, you know, there is no issue. I never prepare my speech or

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my talks. And I just talk without any written material. I speak straight what I am thinking

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about and I just talk. That's how I work. So what I was telling you about is defining

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what retirement is. So let's begin with that by telling you a story, a story that is actually

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probably real because I have seen similar stories in real life. The story is from a

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fisherman lives in Mexico on the beach. He has a small hut and he gets up in the morning,

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goes out fishing, catches some fish, brings home and gives it to his wife. His wife cooks

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it and they eat lunch. And then this fisherman sleeps, takes an afternoon nap, siesta. He

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gets up in the evening, you know, he goes out, you know, party with his friends, come

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back home, you know, enjoy time with family, sleeps. Gets up in the morning, does the same

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thing. So one person comes in and says, you know what, you're a poor man. You live in

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the small hut, you catch fish and you bring home fish and then you sleep every day in

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the afternoon and then you're not doing much. You should do something more. So he says like,

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like what, what should I do? And so then, then the gentleman who was like from, from

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the U S they're called gringos, by the way, the gringos means people from America who

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go to Mexico, like white people go to Mexico, they're called gringos. So this gringo, which

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is basically an American going to Mexico, telling the Mexican, Hey, you should do something

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better in your life. So that Mexican says like what? And she says, you know, maybe you

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should buy a bigger boat and go fishing and you know, catch bigger fish and more fish

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and bring that home. And then, and then what, what should I do with it? Oh, you should sell

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it in the market to make, to do what? To make more money so you can get more money. And

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then, then what? Then you, you invest that money into buying bigger boats and even bigger

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boats and maybe a fish trawler and a giant machine equipment with you to catch tons and

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tons of fish out there in the ocean, bring it all home, put it on some marketplace, make

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tons and tons of millions of dollars. And so he says, then what? Well, then you can

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enjoy on, on the beach, like sit in the sun afternoon, you know, and enjoy, see a star,

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you know, have, have dinner, whatever you want, do whatever you like. So he says, I

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already do all of that. What do you mean? I already enjoy my life. I already doing it.

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I already live what I want. And that's the story behind what I think is how we should

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think about retirement. Retirement is purely a personal thing. Like it has something to

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do with what you have in mind about you. So that was just a story part. By the way, these

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stories are real. I have seen them in India. I've seen them in the U S I've seen them in

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multiple other places that have been, and it is really what you do with yourself. It

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is about you. It has nothing to do with anybody else. So no comparisons needed that you don't

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have to compare with what other people do. You know, in, I'll speak something in Hindi

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so that people will understand. You know, some people have different contexts. I'll

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translate that into English also, but translating that into him in English, you don't worry

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about what other people are doing. Don't chase them because it is about you is what you should

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chase. What you should go after is actually what I call 10 year older me. So Nilesh plus

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10, that's what I chase. And I go after that. And I know I will never catch up, never ever

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catch up because that's what I'm heading because whenever, when I reach 10 years older than

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what I'm currently at that then Nilesh plus 10 is I had 10, 10 years again ahead of me.

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I will never get there. I know I will never get there, but that's what I'm chasing. I'm

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not chasing Vijay. I'm not chasing Akshay. I'm not chasing anybody else. I don't care.

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Like absolutely do not care. I know I have friends who are doing better than me. Some

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of them unfortunately are not doing as better. And I think I should, so Akshay please add

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Bhavuk as cohost if you can, otherwise I will add him. So hold on. If you can do it, otherwise

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I'll do it in five minutes. So Bhavuk just showed up. So add him as a cohost please.

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So what I was talking about is this comparison thing. This retirement idea is about people

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tend to compare. How am I doing? This person got a million dollars. I did not. Why? What

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am I doing wrong? Why does my life suck? No, it doesn't suck. You're comparing it with

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the wrong thing. Taking back to simple high school, college level, he scored more marks,

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more graduation, whatever you call them, grades. He scored a 4.0, 10.0 and I did not. This

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is dumb nonsense. Don't do that. Don't even study for the exam, for the sake of the exam,

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because that's the wrong thing to do. Study for what you like. And exams are like, okay,

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a hurdle that you pass, but that's not the goal. The goal is you want to do something

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that you want and you will do it. And for that you have to study, you will study. For

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that you have to maybe dig a hole, you dig a hole or do whatever else needed to make

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things happen. That's what you should focus on for yourself, for the future you and your

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family and your friends. And then slowly expand the influence that you have on what you want

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to accomplish in life, ignoring everything else on the planet. I think that's how the

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framework of thinking about what retirement is or should be, is how I believe. Now having

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said that, I think I would like to keep this interactive, which is, I don't want to give

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you a boring talk and I talk, by the way, I talk for eight to 10 hours at a stretch.

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No problems. I've done that many times. I do it routinely by the way. I keep talking

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on any topic you bring up and I'll give you a sermon, a speech, a lecture without making

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you fall asleep. That is my goal. I do that for a profession. That's what I've been doing

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for 15 years. So I don't want to do that to you, by the way. So I'll keep it interactive.

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What does that mean? I'll let you ask questions and I'll keep it interactive. The title of

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this talk is basically Q&A with Nilesh. So keep those coming because that will drive

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my communication with you. I don't want it to be one-to-many communication. I want it

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to be many-to-many communication. If we have experts here, people better than me, and I

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invite them on stage and just bring your questions, even if you don't think you're better than

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me because comparison is bad and I just compared, I'm sorry. I should not compare myself or

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anybody, but please bring your questions and we'll keep it interactive. So open the floor,

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let people come in, ask questions, raise your hand and go ahead. And you can just open your

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microphone and interrupt me. No problems. So go ahead. In fact, yeah, go ahead. Shoot

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your question. Akshay, I see your hand. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Nilesh. It's my pleasure

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to hear the view. So my question is that as we, many of us know about your starting journey,

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that you have been an IAS officer and so, but yeah, we read your LinkedIn profile also,

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but many of us doesn't know like how you feel and how like in your thinking or thoughts

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experience. So would you like to share that experience, how you started and how you, during

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that IAS journey and after that you changed and you came in the tech sector? Okay. So

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I'll tell you in 1988, I graduated my bachelor's degree and I wrote the GATE exam. I used to

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live in a state called Madhya Pradesh, which is, I call it the backwaters of India, jungle

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area. Like it's like basically sorry. I know I'm from there. So they don't know, they don't

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know any better. So I wanted to explore. I wanted to explore what else is out there.

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So I chose to write this exam called GATE and in that GATE exam I scored like 99.97 percentile.

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And you know what? I was heavily disappointed, like absolutely disaster. Why 99.97? What

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happened to 99.99? And I was idiot, a dumb person who doesn't know, who didn't know.

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I didn't know what percentile is at that time. And then I studied and then I figured out

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and then I laughed at myself because mathematically it was impossible to score anything more than

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that 99.97. There are not many number of people who participated in the exam. So the percentile

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score could not have been any better. That was what I found out later after the fact.

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So I did that GATE and then I chose, okay, where should I go? Because I could now go

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anywhere I want. So I chose IASC Bangalore, computer science. I studied there for one

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and a half years. And there I got a job in Citibank in New York, as a direct placement

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here in New York and a couple of the jobs in Bangalore and other places. And I was almost

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about to join that Citibank thing. And then somebody said, Nilesh, you are very smart.

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Show me your exam. Show me your IUPSE exam. I'll translate that into English. You think

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you're smart? Try this exam, this stupid nonsense exam, whatever that thing is called, UPSC

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something. And so I said, bring it on. And I took the exam. And not only that, I took

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a bunch of other exams like IES exam. I don't even remember the names, but a bunch of other

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competitive exams. I took all of them and scored second in India, third in India, random

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scores like that. And then what happens? These press reporters show up at your home. They

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take pictures and put you on the Times of India front page. And your head goes to the

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highest mountain, maybe to the clouds. Like I was doing clouds at that time. There was

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no cloud computing at that time. But they elevated me. So when they put you on a pedestal,

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your head gets corrupted, like absolute corrupted head, because you don't think rationally anymore.

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Because people are elevating you on a high pedestal. So you basically are intoxicated,

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drunk, and you cannot think rationally. And that's what happened to me. And I joined the

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IAS, the exam, I passed the exam. So I showed up at the academy and I enjoyed. By the way,

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I should say that I absolutely thoroughly enjoyed my 10 years with them. But what happens

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in the process is that you gain a lot of experience of dealing with real life, real people, who

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are real poor people in India, and real corrupt people in India, real politicians in India.

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I got to deal with that. And I found out what that thing is, a couple of lessons that I

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learned at the age of 25, after like two or three years, two years in the service. I was

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in the district called Bhandara in Maharashtra. And that's where I learned a lesson. The lesson

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was a self realization that people don't respect you. People respect the chair you sit on.

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You should try to improve yourself that people will go after you as a person, not for the

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chair you sit on, not for the position you sit on. And that's when I realized that I

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am doing something wrong. It is simply because when I drive, sorry, my chauffeur, my driver

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will drive me, people will salute the car that I'm in. Not because they want to salute

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me, but because they are saluting the car. They're saluting my chair, not me. I would

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like to have the importance in me. It should originate from me from within, not from the

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position I hold. And that is when I realized that I'm doing something wrong. But I took

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some time to realize that. I actually worked through eight and eight or nine years until

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I read Mantralay, which is Secretariat in Bombay. Mantralay is in the cap, the capital

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of the state. And I reached the position of energy department secretary and negotiated

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with the Enron company in Thabo about project and all that you may have heard of. And then

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I found out that this is something that I am not actually enjoying anymore because comparison.

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I tend to compare myself with other people in the Tata administrative service with the

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attorneys coming from London to interact with me, negotiate with me about Enron project.

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And my salary in India at that time was 8,000 rupees, which is like less than $50 or something,

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maybe $70 or something like that. So pretty darn low salary, but don't worry. I have a

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home assigned to me and a driver and a car and furniture and everything given to me by

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the government. Salary was low and that's okay. I used to live. I used to live. Goodbye.

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But living on the 34th floor in Nariman point overlooking the ocean in Bombay, beautiful

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spot. You may have seen it. I look down and I see that there is a swimming pool down there.

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My son at that time was like four, four years old. He used to also say, you know what, dad,

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I want to go to the swimming pool. So I said, okay, let's go. And I go to that door entrance

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and there is a membership fee. It was not a government thing. It was a private swimming

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pool or some community there, some club there. And at the door they asked me to, are you

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a member? I said, no. What's the membership fee? 35,000 rupees. My salary was 8,000 rupees.

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And that's where I struck something that I am doing something wrong, not just to me,

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but to my family. I need to find something else. So what, what did I do? I looked up

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times of India at the advertisements for all the job postings and I applied to 50 different

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places. 50. How many responses did I get? Zero. Except one company wrote me a letter

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saying you are overqualified. And I said, no, this is fundamentally wrong, something

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wrong. And then I figured out that the real value an IS officer brings to the table is

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nuisance value. People don't want to associate with them because in the high ranking government

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officer, you don't know who he knows, what he can do or things of that nature. So you

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want to avoid them. Why bring on trouble into our company? Because we don't know what we

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don't know. That's the challenge. So people avoid such things like such, such associations

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with high ranking government officials. So now what? How will I do something different?

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And then I ran into this guy called Sam Pithroda. You may have heard of him. He led the revolution

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of Indian telecom, starting what is called, what used to be, I don't know if you guys

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know this thing, but there's a thing called PCOs, STD PCO, public call office, phone booth

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where you pay some rupees and you can make a call, phone call. That used to be a thing.

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It doesn't exist anymore. There is no such thing. Those PCOs were created by Rajiv Gandhi

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and this guy, Sam Pithroda. And so they started, they wanted to have that in the state of Maharashtra.

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So this Pithroda guy comes in to meet the chief minister in Bombay and he's a technical

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person. And so all these officers struggled to find a person who can talk to Sam Pithroda

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and they found me and said, you know what, you should go and meet with him. I said, fine.

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So I show up and I was in the car with Sam and we were driving to the chief minister's

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office in somewhere. I don't remember where it is now, but on the way I'm just casually

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chatting with him. And he asked me, Hey, what do you do? And I said, this and that, what

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did you study? And I told him. And so then he says, weren't you stupid to join the IAS?

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And I said, you know what, whatever I did up till now was exactly what I wanted, but

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in hindsight, maybe I would have done something different. Hindsight is always good. You know,

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it's 2020. You already know about what you have done, but you don't know what's going

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to be in the future. So then he says, you know what, I have an idea. Why don't you study?

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I have a friend from university of Michigan who's visiting us here in Nariman point. He's

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living at the Oberoi, staying at the Oberoi hotel. Would you like to meet him? I said,

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who's that guy? And so he says, he's professor Prahalad. CK Prahalad is a well known professor.

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He unfortunately died seven years ago. So the CK Prahalad is well known for his book

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and famous works on consulting on, and the word he coined was, you know, core competence

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of a corporation. The word core competence was coined by him. He was a business school

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professor at university of Michigan. So he was there and I had breakfast with him and

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he says, you know what, why don't you come and join my class? And I told him, I already

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have two degrees. Are you kidding me? You want me to study again? And he says, yes,

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I want you to go back home and come meet me tomorrow and think overnight as to what you

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should be doing. So I came back home. I called my parents. What do you think? My parents

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said, you know what, you don't like this job. You quit because we know you can find something

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else. So you do whatever you like. And it is very strange for any Indian parent to tell

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their IAS officer child to quit. I never heard of such a thing. Nobody believes me when I

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say that. But my parents said, go ahead, do what you want. And so I came back, talked

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to my wife and told her and she says, yes, let's do it. And I went back next morning,

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met the professor again and said, I will apply. And I wrote GMAT, wrote my essays and I applied

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to University of Michigan and I did not get selected. Yes, I did not get admission because

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they could not relate to what I was trying. Then I had to apply for an exception to get

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an interview with the admissions office at the university to go in person and tell them

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what I want to do. So they said, yes, you can come for an interview. Then I flew in

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from India just to interview with University of Michigan Ann Arbor admissions office, MBA

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office. The visa office was confused. I said, why do you want to go for an interview for

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an MBA? Nobody goes like that. And I said, you know what, here is a letter. I did not

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get selected. I want to go meet them and I will come back. And they granted me a visa.

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I took the longest possible flight with like four or five hops, A to B to C to D, something

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like multiple hops to find the cheapest possible ticket. And I reach Ann Arbor at the door

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at the entrance of the school. This lady comes up and says, Mr. Loon, are you here? And I

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said, who? What? That's not me. Mr. Loon. That's supposed to be my last name pronunciation.

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And so I ignored her. But my time is coming up. And then I get up and say, you know what,

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I'm here and I'm here for the interview. And then say, I've been asking, looking for you.

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Where are you? And so then she pulls me up, brings me inside. We interact with this lady

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called Amy there. I still remember her. And at the end of 30 minutes, she says, congratulations.

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Go blue. And I had no idea what go blue means. Go blue means, you know, it's the blue color

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of the University of Michigan. And it means congratulations. You're, you're admitted.

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That's what it means. And so she gave me the admission on the spot. I came back to India,

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sold everything, whatever I had. I had like not, not, not many things because all of this

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furniture and stuff was given to me by the government. So I did not have any much, but

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whatever I had, I sold it off. Rest, I moved it to my parents home, packed a few suitcases,

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me, my wife, and my son. At that time, he was four. We took another flight, came here

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in August 22, 1999. And I joined the MBA school, University of Michigan. $200,000 loan was

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needed and nobody would give me because when you are in the U S and you don't have what

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is called history of credit or credit history, nobody would give you a loan at all. And then

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I said, you know, University of Michigan, I need money. I cannot continue the education

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unless somebody gives me a loan, help me out. So the financial aid office says, meet us

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in seven days. And I went back there after seven days and university agreed to co-sign

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my, my loan for $200,000 with city bank. Yes. That's the reason why I actually succeeded

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in getting a loan. Otherwise I would have gone back, could not succeed because money

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is impossible. Like 200,000 is way too much money. I rather, it was way too much money

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at that time. But I finally got success through University of Michigan co-signature because

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I don't have any credit. I did not have any credit at that time. I start my MBA. MBA is

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a two year program. It has like four months summer internship in between summer opportunity

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in between. I made it six months in between by taking out two extra months out of college

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and said, I will go and work because when I try to apply to any company in the U S nobody

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would hire me. They absolutely zero job offers on campus in Michigan. There are like eight

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to eight to 900 companies come on campus to recruit. And there are only 400 students.

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Everybody gets a job. Absolutely everybody. I did not. Yes. I did not get a job, no job.

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And I have a wife and son with me still don't have a job. Then what do I do? Then I said,

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you know, I need to do something different. And I fly to California Bay area and I did

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not have a computer. Did not have a car. I had my shoes with me. I had a printer in the

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college where I printed my resume. I walked door to door taking a bus about 20 to 25 companies.

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I go in person applied meet face to face at the receptionist. These days you cannot even

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do that. You cannot just walk into a company say, Hey, here is my resume. I used to do

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that. You know, it was possible in 2000. Today you cannot do it. They just don't open you

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the door. So that's how I found out by interacting face to face with a company called Ariba.

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And I worked for them for free two months, free internship. Just like I hear in India,

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people are doing paid internship these days, which is they pay money to get an internship.

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I know that's a sad state of affairs, but yeah, unfortunately that's kind of similar

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to what I did, except I did not pay, but I got credit for college as against my work

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for two months. So they gave me some credit, not money. That was good enough. I took it

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and I put that on my resume and put all my 10 years of experience in the IAS as one line

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helping the Indian people. That's it. One line. Nobody understands what that means.

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And I don't even want to highlight it. And I put everything about Ariba in two paragraphs

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in my resume. And I found a second internship with Sun Microsystems. And yes, that's where

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I slept on the garage floor in the admin's garage admin for the VP at Sun. Yes. I know

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how to sleep in the garage on the floor. Yes. The same guy who was in India, a top ranking

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officer is now sleeping in the garage in California while the wife and son are in a $500 per month

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small, tiny school housing, university housing. They did not fly to California. I was only

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one alone in California alone. And this time I'm making money with Sun. I take that and

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get another internship with Siebel Systems. This time I make quite good money and real

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good money. And I take that money, finish my three internships back to back six months

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and write that on my resume and go back to Michigan, finish my MBA with the money that

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I have. I bought a used car, Nissan Maxima 1994 model, old model. It was a good car,

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like really good. I rode that drove that car for like so many years until I think 2012

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when I gave it away because that's when I bought my Tesla. It has been 10 years, probably

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more than 10 years. But I rode, drove that car for so long, you would not believe, but

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I still have pictures of that car. It is a beaten up used car that I got as a student

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and I drove it even at Microsoft. Does that sound strange to you? Probably, but that's

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how you do. You don't spend more than what you should unless you earn more. That's about

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retirement. So that's a common theme right there. You don't overspend. You don't show

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off that you are working at Microsoft. You can buy a fancy car, but you don't because

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you want to save. That's what I did. That's one of the secrets, by the way. That's the

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secret number one. Don't overspend. Don't show off. If you show off, you're basically

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hurting yourself. You may feel good temporarily, but you're hurting yourself. That's the concept.

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You need to think about that. I always tell people, everybody that there's a question

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here and request something. Somebody requesting what? Kavya. She's asking to speak. Hey guys,

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what are you doing, man? These co-hosts, where are they? Actually, sometimes it happens.

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Capacity is limited sometimes, so because of that. Yeah, please, please manage. I'm sorry

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if somebody wants to speak and unable to get accepted. I'm sorry for that. Okay, I'm managing.

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Thank you. Thank you. What I was talking about is don't overspend. Yes, having worked at

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Microsoft, I was able to create a new idea, which is called... You can see the implementation

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of that idea in Microsoft Teams, in Link, in Office Communicator. In other office products

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these days, it is called presence detection. That idea I built in 2004 in my home, and

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I created a prototype using Linux that I was able to talk about. I said, you know what?

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Bill Gates used to run demo days in Microsoft those days. Anybody can just bring a new idea

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to him, show it to him. I said, you know what? I have built this new idea. Why don't you

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come to my home? But that doesn't happen. Bill doesn't go. What did I do? I basically

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asked Bill that I will bring my setup to you. You see it. I showed it to him in a live physical

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in-person demo to him, and he liked it. He said, you know what? You should build it.

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And then suddenly all these big guns at Microsoft start looking at me. Who is this guy? Created

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something out of Linux, brings it to Microsoft. What is he up to? And then I got attention.

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When you get attention, you get what is called the ability to create something new, and that's

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how I started building something which is eventually called, you know, the unified communications

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line of products these days. So Teams is an example. I patented the idea. It is patented

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by me, assigned to Microsoft. The idea is called detection of physical presence and

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management of information, and you can read about that later. But that's how you get some

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clout in the company to create something new, to build something out of nothing. And that

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grows over time. So that's what I did at Microsoft. I also did a bunch of other things, you know,

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that you may or may not know. And so having worked that in the long process, you also

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want to continue to call this country where I live as your home, which means you need

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to get a green card. And getting a green card for Indians and people born in China is very,

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very difficult, like really difficult, really hard, because of country specific quota. And

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there are two, there are just too many Indians and too many Chinese on the planet. So on

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a per quota basis, it is very limited. So then I had to apply and negotiate with Microsoft

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for what is what I call, you know, people with exceptional abilities to get them prior

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faster treatment and they did the faster processing for me. Some of you in this who are listening

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to me actually have that special capability. You should make use of those and get fast

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track to your what is it called immigration, you know, green card, basically short for

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green card, get your green card by using your talents and asking your employer sponsors

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to sponsor you for faster track. This is called people with exceptional abilities. And there

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are a variety of things you can discuss and think, you know, read up on and make use of

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and apply that. And then once you get a green card, you get the ability to do whatever the

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F you want simply. And that's what I did. I said goodbye, Microsoft. Yeah, that's very

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strange again. But that is me. Because I don't listen to people. I mean, I never I even today

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I don't listen to anybody. I do what I like. And that's how it goes. So I quit. And then

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at least I now have some money, some money to live and survive for a few, few, few years

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maybe. So then I said, you know what, I need to do something. And I find out that there

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is this US military base in our area, which is called JBLM in Tacoma, south of Seattle.

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And there, US military lays off 10,000 soldiers every year, every year. Soldiers lay off.

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And the soldiers are basically high school students, grade 12, Barbie bus, take them

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to Afghanistan, deploy them for 10 years, bring them back home. And now these are 30

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year old kids with a 12 year old 12 year old brain. So high schools brain 30 years of age.

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And now you lay them off. What happens? They become homeless soldiers. A lot of them you

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see in the US homeless are actually soldiers from US military or who are laid off and cannot

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fend for themselves, cannot fetch food, cannot build a house, cannot do nothing. That's a

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major problem. So what the US government does is to help them out, retrain them. They set

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aside budgets and they announced that they have a budget to train soldiers in our area.

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And I said, hmm, let me see. So I said, you know what, I will bid and I'm placed my bid.

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I go meet the people at the JBLM. And they said, you know what, do you know who you're

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competing with? And I said, no, I don't tell me you are competing with Microsoft and AWS.

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And I said, hmm, nice. But let me tell you, I can do something that these guys cannot.

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These big companies cannot. They just cannot do what I do. He said, what, what can you

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do? And I told them that I can guarantee employment to each and every person that takes my program

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within three months or don't pay me anything at all whatsoever. No big company will do

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that ever. I can. And I give that guarantee. So he said, are you nuts? Then I told him,

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what do you think I am? Are you kidding me? No, I'm not. Will you give this to me in writing?

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I said, yes. And I wrote it down. I said, don't pay me any money. Even one of them will

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not get a job within three months. But I have some conditions. The conditions are, you will

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not interfere in my program. You will not interact, not even come into the classroom.

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You will do nothing whatsoever. I'll do whatever I want with them. You will not interfere.

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They will not say a word, not listen. All you do is what you get the result. That's

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all you care for. That's what I'll give you. You will not interfere. Do you agree?

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But how did you get that conviction, Nilesh? What do you mean? I mean, how did you feel

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that you will be able to influence these people to the point that they are employable? I mean,

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where did you, I mean, maybe it is just your intuition or in conviction about yourself,

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but maybe there are some factors which you accounted for. So the thing is driven by gut,

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specifically by gut. I know I can pull it off because I have people I know, you can

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see on my LinkedIn, I have big shots in my LinkedIn, the big people, all the big names

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in our area, tech, big shots. So I know I can pull it off. But to convince them what

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you need to really focus on on the other side is what do they want? They want home for people.

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They want soldiers to get a proper life. They want success for them. They don't care about

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the process you follow as long as you get the result for them. What they really care

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for is their money that they are spending and whether they can report to their bosses

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how many soldiers got a job. That's what they care for. And how was the money being deployed

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and how was it used? That's what they care for. They care for the soldiers basically

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leading a good path. So I'm giving them exactly what they want. And now after signing that

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contract, I come back home panicked like heavily panicking now, because I don't know what I

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signed up for. But I'm panicking. And here's what I do. I reach out to my LinkedIn profile,

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big people, and I tell them something that I know they cannot say no to. Because when

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you go to a CEO and tell him, I want you to help soldiers, what do you think he can say?

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The only answer he can give is yes. Because the other answer, no, makes him look stupid.

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The only answer he can say is yes, I will help you, Niresh. That's the only way out

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for him. And I know that. So I exploit it one on one. All the big names. I said, you

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know what? You will come with me, not on a group session, but a one on one session. You

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come alone with me to the base where I go. I take you with me to the military base. You

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go meet them one on one. Not in a group hiring session. Not like that. I don't want that

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happen. So they are okay with that idea. They want to talk to people. They want to feel

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good. They collect brownie points. They come back home. But what happens in reality? What

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happens when a CEO comes? They don't come alone. They come with their HR, their PR,

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and God knows what other staff, which is awesome for the soldiers. So in our area, this thing

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called King County, there is a CTO, CTO of King County. I don't even know him, but I

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tweet at him. Soldiers need you to attend my program. Would you join? What do you think

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the answer would be to a public officer? Sign me up. Sign me up was his response. So I called

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his office, signed him up. He shows up. He doesn't come alone. He come with his PR staff,

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his HR people and a television crew. Next day, I am on the television. Nobody knows

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my name of the company. I am a one person company. I was. I almost even today, I am

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a one person company. I have people in India on a as needed basis, but that's it. Those

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people, you know, sorry, the CTO with his TV crew led me to more introductions with

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big shots. And what I did is now helping our soldiers write resumes. I wrote their resumes

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myself, trained them individually to go talk to this person, go talk to that person, introduce

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them, make meetings happen one on one for 23 soldiers. And each and every one of them

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got a job. And I got paid handsomely. My charge is expensive, by the way, if you if you know

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that or not, I don't know. But it's really, really steep price. And I got paid. So that

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was my first thing. Wow. But it's actually it's very cheap because imagine being able

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to teach someone to earn for themselves for next 10 or 20 years. That's a crazy amount

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of money. Yes. Right. And for government, it's a very small amount of pay to pay instead

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of paying pension and trying to take care of people and the headache and all of this.

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So it's actually a very good ROI for the government. And that's probably because you can guarantee

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that. I think that's the key point. Yes. Like it's a very good direct deal. It's not a probabilistic

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thing. It's a, you know, deterministic outcome. Yes, yes, it was. It was very good. It was

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something that they could not say no to it because they had nothing. The coolest thing

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nothing to lose. You know, the coolest thing you said, I had a gut feeling. I can't tell

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you how uncommon that is. Like a lot of what we hear on social media and other places,

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right. All the narratives people tell a lot of those narratives are around, you know,

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this is the logical thinking I did. This is how we tested the product and 100 other things,

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right. And what people don't talk about it is, hey, you know, you need to poke around

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a few things and something will work out. But you need to experiment. And that's what

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you did. You followed your gut and experimented with the idea. And nobody says that, yeah,

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it was a gut feeling. I had an intuition that I should probably do this. So thanks for saying

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that, Nileshji. I think gut is the only thing that works. Everything else is future and

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future is unknown, which is basically, nobody knows. Nobody knows jack shit, to be precise

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of what will happen in the future. Anybody who claims is a liar. Yeah, and everybody

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talks about all of this in a very logical manner. So people tend to justify their choices

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half the time. It's like, hey, why did you go down this path? You know, I felt like that

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is the right answer. But what people say is, no, because I had thought one, two, three,

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four and five. No, this was you're trying to justify your choice. Rationalization happens

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after the fact. Exactly. It's a justification, right? Like after you have already had that

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intuition and you trust that some intuition somehow. And after that, you go into this

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justification mode, because you're supposed to be a logical person. You know, the word

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is supposed to be logical. But people are not logical. I am not. I am a nut job. Yes,

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same, same, same. I am the hardest nut job you can ever imagine in your life. I'm saying

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that out loud in public. You've probably seen that in my tweets. I tweet like a nut.

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By the way, Nivesh, just an FYI here. There are some people requesting and there are some

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of the speakers who want to like ask questions and they're raising their hands. Please, please,

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go ahead. Go ahead. Absolutely. Let people speak. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, sure, sure, sure.

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So I believe it was Devarshi first, then it was Vijay, then it was Kavya. Devarshi, you

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want to go? Yeah, sure. Thank you, Nivesh sir. So my question is like, have you found

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any similarities between the skills required in civil service and tech?

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Hey, I'm so sorry. I could not hear you properly, Devarshi. Yeah, am I audible now? Yes. Yeah.

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So I was asking, have you found any similarities between the skills required in civil services

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and those needed in the tech industry? Yes. The thing that you need is the ability to

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think clearly. I think that is the most important thing. It applies to every situation in life.

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Thinking skills, thinking rationally. That is, I think the fundamental thing, it applies

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to common sense, applies to, you know, a situation where you're trying to sell something and

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you don't know what to create. And then what do you do? You create something that you like

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for yourself and you find out by showing it to people, would they be interested in it?

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If they're interested, they might buy it. If they're not interested, they might send

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you signals as to what they don't want to have or what they would like to have. So we

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have to very carefully listen and understand what they're telling you. That weak signal

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is there, but most people miss it because there is so much noise around us. So much

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noise. It's heavy. And detecting the signal in a very noisy situation is very, very, you

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know, you need to refine your sensors and that signal is available to you. But that

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skill of detecting signals is a hard one that applies everywhere. And most people ignore

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those signals. I think that's a skill to have. It's not about technology. Even in the tech

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domain, it is not about writing code. It is about understanding what customers want. It

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is about building exactly what they need and more. It has nothing to do with JavaScript,

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to be precise, or Ruby, for example, whatever. These languages don't matter. What matters

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is the customer and whether you're doing something for them. It's when you help others that you

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make money as a side effect. I hope that answers your question, Devarshi.

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Yes, sir.

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And also that finally settles the debate. Which programming limit should we choose?

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But also another one. What are your speaker? If there we have question answered, could

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you please go back to the listener section so that we could invite more speakers in because

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there is a limit here. That would be great. Next up is Vijay. Vijay, how are you doing?

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Great to meet you.

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Likewise.

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You can ask a question.

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Yeah. Nilesh sir, very inspiring and amazing story. I think you have a spectacular journey

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and it's amazing to have you here. And thank you for giving us an opportunity to chat with

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you.

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You're welcome, sir. Thank you. Thank you, Vijay.

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Yeah. I just, I want to say something about what Amul and you were saying about gut feeling

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and all. I mostly agree, but I'm not 100% sure if everybody needs to think like that.

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I think it depends from person to person. Like you probably went ahead with your gut

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feeling, maybe because of your previous qualifications or success. You were confident that you can

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make things work. Like if you could crack all these exams and get these amazing achievements,

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then you could do that and replicate that success later. But not everybody is that confident.

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Not everybody has that kind of backing to say that, okay, I have done this thing so

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I could do that. So in that case, I'm not saying don't go with gut feeling, but for

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some people, having that little calculations about what I should do here and what are the

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repercussions might be appropriate, right? Like for example, if somebody's planning to

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come to U.S. and if they don't have any spectacular success story behind, like there is no guarantee,

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especially nowadays, right? Like immigration, job prospects are very difficult. So in my

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opinion, there's a lot of bliss associated with that. I would absolutely, absolutely

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agree with that idea. You know what? I would give you an example, a story. So what, to

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summarize Vijay's point, do you always go by gut feeling? Do you know that you will

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win? Nobody knows jack shit. I did not know, but it just happened. However, everybody should

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not feel and think like that. The rational approach is like this, is like a VC. What

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does a VC do? They say they have like, you know, $10 million or $100 million to invest.

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They will not invest all of that money in one particular startup. They will find a hundred

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startups and give them $1 million each to spread the risk. And like one or two of them

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will become unicorns and every other 98 companies, startups will die. VCs don't care. They're

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spreading their risk. They're spreading their portfolio among various startups and balancing

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the risk. I think that is a approach I would recommend for most people unless they are

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in a nut job. Simply, yeah. So, you know, what we call gut feeling, I believe is intelligence

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plus experience working in milliseconds. So probably your intelligence and your experience

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when it's, you know, working at full throttle and the result you get in milliseconds that

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you can call a gut feeling in some cases. What do you think about it?

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I don't know, man. The millisecond part, I don't even know what that is true or not,

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but the responses are not that fast. It is slow. It can be painfully slow sometimes,

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but managing portfolio is better than managing one thing. Because as Amul will say, Amul,

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I think I saw his notes and on some of the tweets, he says, he describes about this concept

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of risk and about what I call, what is the word you used Amul? The risk idea, the Talib

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idea. Talib idea is rule zero is risk management, avoid ruin.

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Yeah, avoid ruin. So that is the key thing here. You know, you want to avoid ruin, which

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means you want to continue to live for tomorrow and keep taking newer bets. If you take one

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big giant bet and you die, well then, then you're dead. You want to survive, avoid ruin.

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And that is an important thing. You know, probably the thing that...

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Isn't that based on your past experience? Like avoid ruin because you'll be dead is

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something that, you know, don't do this, otherwise you'll be dead.

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That's why, you know, it's a good thing to have what is called a plan B. It's generally

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a good thing. And yes, sometimes in certain cases, and these are very, very few, but there

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are cases in which you actually guarantee yourself a win or a death if you remove all

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other choices. The plan B needs to be exterminated. That's what happens when you quit the IAS.

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When you quit the government service, you cannot go back. There's no going back. The

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only way is forward. It's like some king somewhere, they conquer, you know, they take a boat full

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of ships, ships full of soldiers and they reach the other country. And the first thing

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the king orders, burn all these ships. And the soldiers start to panic. Why would I burn

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my ships? How will I run away if I need to? Well, that's the whole point. You want to

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burn your own ships so that you cannot run away. And then the only option remains is

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fight to die or to win. And then you win. And that has been, you know, some look up

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on Google and you will find a story like that. There's actually a real story of some king.

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I don't even know his name. But that's a valid strategy. This is a nut.

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I'll put a point here. Okay. So forget about how this works and all of that. And here's

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my hypothesis. Maybe I am wrong on this one. A lot of people think that you have to come

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up with ideas analytically, which is, I think, not a great idea in general. And which is

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where I'm really supportive of your idea of the gut thing. That let your gut and intuition

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guide you to come up with creative ideas. The second step though, is to think of it,

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think of yourself as a trader. So traders have four kinds of outcomes. They win big,

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they win small, they lose small, they lose big. There are only four types of outcomes

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which are possible. Your job is to avoid losing big. Don't lose big. All other three options

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win big, win small, lose small, you can play the game for a very long period of time. So

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your job is to actually play low, such kind of bets where these three outcomes are there.

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Any bet which has lose big outcome is basically what Taleb says that it is avoid ruin or,

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you know, risk management piece. But the ideas come from the creative side of you, which

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is the gut. And one more thing I want to talk about, which probably gets sidelined when

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somebody outlier plays those bets. And you are an outlier, let's be honest. AIR3 IS,

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I haven't met anybody who has been under AIR50 in IS. And I have been in the game for 20

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years now. So I have not met anybody. So you are rare in that sense. What happens, and

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I think Vijay has a very good point there. When you leave, somebody like you leaves IS,

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although you think you will not be employable, but inside you know that I will be able to

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do something with my life. So that default confidence, right? That is why everybody might

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think that, you know what, this person took a big risk, but look at where they have come

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from, right? Like if you have been top 0.001% of India, you can do something with your

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life. Even if you are losing IS, you will still do something and make enough money out

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there or survive. And that is which is where you were actually not at the point of ruin

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if you really think about it. The point of ruin is for somebody who can't, who doesn't

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believe or doesn't have a track record of doing something in life. So even if that's

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my hypothesis, that even if you think that in some way, you know, I took that decision

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and it was, you know, totally no-go and all of that, or even, you know, training those

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23 people, the worst you would have lost is time, right? I mean, you wouldn't have lost

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everything in your life if that happened, right? Like those 23 people. So my hypothesis

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is gut feeling is very useful for coming up with creativity. Once you acknowledge that

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intuition, then put it into that framework of whether it is a lose big bet or is it,

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you know, another kind of a bet, which is safe enough, then play it accordingly. Don't

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try to ruin yourself. And as long as you played for a long enough period of time in aggregation,

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something in probability will turn out, but don't try to be that person who's saying

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that, you know what? No, I was very analytical and I came up with this idea. No, your gut

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came up with the idea and you trusted your intuition. The funny thing is those who trust

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their intuition think of themselves as artists. And I have been on both sides of it. Like

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one side of my life, I was totally analytical. I used to think I'm not creative. I'm not,

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I don't trust my gut. I don't trust my intuition. And you know what? My creativity dipped like

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anything. And on the other hand, like think of you right now, right? Like the way you

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talk about yourself or, or, or how you do stuff, you actually think of yourself as an

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artist, that term you use nut job, right? That's basically an artistic term. You think

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of yourself as an artist. There's some serendipity in your thinking. And that is a beautiful

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thing to tell your body, to tell your mind or to tell your gut mind that, you know what?

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You are an artist. You don't need to be logical. Go think of ideas on your own. Sorry, I went

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into a rant, but I felt this was a very interesting, you know, point or hypothesis to think about.

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I could be wrong, obviously. So you know what your hypothesis is exactly what I, the reason

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why I love what you say, what you write, what you tweet. I have read all your tweets, by

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the way. They're awesome.

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Just a minute if I, Niresh here. Amul, I don't want to be disrespectful, but there are some

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person here who are raising their hand for quite a while. And we'd like to go to them.

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Hey folks, yeah, I'm leaving. I have a meeting at one o'clock, but great chatting with you

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again. Like Nilesh Sir, hopefully we'll do this again. Main fire, fire ka mudda, shahe

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toh rahe piche hai rege.

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I know that happens every time I speak. That's why I should keep focused on your questions

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as opposed to my bullshit.

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It's not bullshit. It's not bullshit. Like a lot of valuable information. But anyways,

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I

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No, no, no, Nilesh. I think, you know, you should, you should speak what you feel like

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because that's when we get the best ideas out of you. Otherwise, toh kya hai yahan pe

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aap log ye influencers dukaan laga ke baithte hain hai. Twitter space karte hain ki aaho

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tumko sumnayenge, ye sewaal pucho ge uska jawab degenge. Woh dukaane toh chali rahi hain.

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But jis uninhibited tariqe se aap bolte ho na, wo sunnaya hai humko. Warnahe hum kyu

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aayenge hum yaha pe. Hum kyu aayenge ki matlab ye dukaan laga ke baith jaate hain hain, hosting

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karte hain ki, achha tum aake sewaal ka jawab do, tum aake sewaal pucho, tum aake sewaal

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pucho. Ye nahi karna hai na. Ye hi toh sunnaya hain aap se jo aap aise bina be lagaam bolte

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ho na yeh sunnaya. Kyuki yeh koi nahi bolta hai. Aur aap nahi sunnayenge toh kap sunnayenge.

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Thank you. Thank you. By the way, Vijay and Amul, we should do more spaces. Thank you.

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Definitely aur Vijay ke saath karenge, Vijay ke saath itna maza hai karne mein. Kyuki

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bahut nuanced hoti inki thi. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, and fire and financial independence

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is my favorite topic. So I'm definitely interested in chatting on this again. And sorry, I'm

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going to take few more seconds. But I've noticed that main jabhi koi career related tweet karta

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hoon, toh thode bahut likes aate hain. Ek maine finance related ki thi, toh bahut hi kum

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likes hai. So I'm just curious ki is the tech industry like not thinking about finance?

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In my opinion, that would be a mistake. So aapki saara alpha jo hai na, wo Ankur Variku leke

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chala gaya hai aur Akshat Sharma, Akshat Varma, ae sab leke chale gaya hai. Toh in sab kitni

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badi badi dukhane hain YouTube pe aur courses vejta hai hai ki aapka saara ka saara finance

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ka kitna bhi samajdari wala baat bologue. Un sab ko jaaki Ankur Variku ke naam pe cryptocurrency

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me paise daal nahi hain. Unko Ankur Variku ke naam pe jaake bevkufi karne hai ki theke

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FD me, FD nahi rakhunga mai. Mai toh sirf equity me daalunga. Toh iskar end se aapki finance

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tweets ka koi alpha nahi aane wala hai. Theke, yeh zyaan rakhna. Aap tech ka daalogaya toh

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alpha aega.

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Alright, alright. Chalo anyways, I've taken way more than a few seconds. So again, bye

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all and looking forward to chatting with you all again. Nilesh ji, pirse ek bar fire ka

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ek space karenge. Yes, yes, yes. Alright, have a great day. Take care. We have a question

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left sir. You have to do one more space. Yes, yes, we'll do it again. But let's, I have

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enough time. I have enough time if you want. I'm never in a rush. Never. I do have time

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sir. If you are staying then I'll ask you a question. I will say as long as you need.

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So we have, so I'm not sure like who is speaking because I think my Twitter card is kind of

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my...

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This is Nilesh.

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Okay, okay.

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Kisi ko bhi aane do itna formal mat karo. Itna formal mat karo.

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Shama has a question. Seriously? Shama is raising the hand. So Shama, you can ask your question

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or do you want to share something?

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Thank you. Namaste everyone.

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Hi.

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So first of all, thank you Nilesh for the storytelling at the beginning. I liked that

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a lot. And also I wanted to say congratulations because at each stage of your life you held

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on and you didn't fear questioning your situation and aiming for the best for you and your family.

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And this is not something that all people do because sometimes people fear to face their

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reality and to do something about it. So congratulations.

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Thank you.

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And I have two questions actually based on what you said. The first one is just asking

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about your vision because at certain point you said, do what you like. But I personally

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genuinely believe that pain and struggle is part of the process, which means that sometimes

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reaching your goal may include some steps that you may not like. But the idea here is

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to commit to it and to be disciplined in any way to reach your goal. So what do you think

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about that specific point?

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Yes. Thank you by the way. Thank you Shama. I appreciate what you said. I will tell you

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what I think about pain and happiness and sadness. And I'll tell you about what I think

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about that. So imagine you have a coin, like a coin with a head and a tail and you flip

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that coin on one side you have happiness on the other side is sadness and they will randomly

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appear depending on how you flip and you keep flipping and you sometimes get happy and sometimes

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get sad and they are both good. They're both part of the same game. The real opposite of

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happiness is not sadness. The real opposite of these two is the absence of the coin.

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The void.

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The void. When people don't even care who you are, they love you, they hate you, both

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are good. But, you know, indifference is bad. That's the opposite of happiness and sadness

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is the absence of coin. That's how I think about it. So if you just have only happiness

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in your life, it will become boring. Absolute boring. You don't want in that stage, you

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want to go up and down, up and down, sometimes down, down, up and up, up, up, down to make

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any variations of that. That is what life is. Not just up and up and up. That's not

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how it works. So both are important. Happiness and sadness. If you just have only happiness,

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you will soon get bored and probably die.

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I think in Hindi, there's this thing. So if you drink alcohol all the time, you'll

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not enjoy it. So basically you have it and then don't have it for some time and then

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you have it. So that's the point. And by the way, there's a term for that. It's called

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minimum effective dosage. So anything that you do in life or enjoy in life, you can enjoy

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it in some amounts and then beyond that amount, it saturates to the point that you feel it

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is poison or it feels bad. This is sugar. Right. So there are many. So by the way, there's

01:07:45.720 --> 01:07:52.760
a term for that, which is called saying for that. This is called, it is also the same

01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:57.520
thing. Right. Yes. Yes. Yeah. That was awesome.

01:07:57.520 --> 01:08:03.920
I actually wanted Nilesh to emphasize on that fact that life is actually up and down because

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:09.280
many people think that there is easy ways to attend their goals and they don't want

01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:16.160
to do what they don't like in order to achieve their goals. And if it's possible, my second

01:08:16.160 --> 01:08:23.120
question will be at certain point, you talked about saving and investing. Okay. So we all

01:08:23.120 --> 01:08:29.400
know that there is different types of investment, like in real estate, in crypto stocks, whatever.

01:08:29.400 --> 01:08:37.360
But what a lot of people do is that they focus on all of those side hassles at the same time.

01:08:37.360 --> 01:08:42.600
So what I want to understand here or what I want to discover is what was your own way

01:08:42.600 --> 01:08:48.400
of doing in that case? Because if you want to invest in stocks, crypto or in real estate,

01:08:48.400 --> 01:08:53.320
you need to focus on that field to understand it pretty well. And then to do the thing.

01:08:53.320 --> 01:08:56.920
So I would like to... So do you take it step by step or how do you

01:08:56.920 --> 01:09:02.480
do exactly? I'll tell you how I invest. I again look for

01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:07.400
signals, weak signals in life. Okay.

01:09:07.400 --> 01:09:13.280
And I heard you say the word crypto. I would like to say something here about that. Crypto

01:09:13.280 --> 01:09:20.880
basically means cryptography. And that is a mathematical concept. Bitcoin is the one

01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:27.960
that was used... Cryptography was used to create Bitcoin. And that is what I think most people

01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:35.040
think of as cryptocurrency. However, copying that Bitcoin, there are tons and tons of other

01:09:35.040 --> 01:09:42.800
what are called shitcoins have come up. And people get confused about what is a right

01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:48.640
vehicle of investment. So I want to clarify what I think about all these things. And only

01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:57.400
Bitcoin is a vehicle that is worthy of your money. Everything else is not an investment

01:09:57.400 --> 01:10:02.920
vehicle. It has other uses. It has other technical uses, some esoteric uses. But I don't consider

01:10:02.920 --> 01:10:09.480
that as an investment vehicle. So that was the investment aspect of crypto specifically.

01:10:09.480 --> 01:10:15.600
Now how do I look for signals? So when I was at Microsoft, in the US, there is a thing

01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:20.440
called retirement plan, which is self-managed and you manage it yourself. A portion of your

01:10:20.440 --> 01:10:25.200
salary goes into that account, set aside. In India, it is called GPF, PPF, something

01:10:25.200 --> 01:10:32.080
like that. And so you take some money, 15, 20% set aside and that gets invested by the

01:10:32.080 --> 01:10:39.360
company. But in Microsoft, they let you invest it yourself. So what did I do? At that time

01:10:39.360 --> 01:10:52.000
in 2004, I invested 95% of my 401k money into the Apple stock. I still hold the same position.

01:10:52.000 --> 01:11:01.440
I never sold it. Apple has gone like three or four times in the valuation.

01:11:01.440 --> 01:11:06.720
So you took it step by step, like you focus only on one investment at one point. You don't

01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:11.760
do it in a parallel way, like crypto, real estate, stocks, et cetera. You only focus

01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:12.760
on one thing.

01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:18.400
Not really. I'll tell you what I actually do. So I'm building it up. So that's one.

01:11:18.400 --> 01:11:26.140
I get a signal from using the iPhone, the first one that came in, I think, 2007 timeframe.

01:11:26.140 --> 01:11:31.400
And before that, I've been, I've used Mac, I use Linux quite a bit. So I understand what

01:11:31.400 --> 01:11:35.920
Apple is building and I see their products are really good. And what I also see is not

01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:41.440
just the product that they make, but how users are using their products is also pretty darn

01:11:41.440 --> 01:11:47.520
good. And that gives me the confidence in that company and especially Steve Jobs, which

01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:52.720
I am a huge, huge fan of what he does, the way he speaks, the way he talks, the way everything

01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:58.360
about him is beyond doubt. So that is something that I loved. And I said, this is where my

01:11:58.360 --> 01:12:04.000
money goes. So I hired Steve Jobs as my investment manager.

01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:12.800
Then comes along Elon Musk. And in 2020, this COVID thing happened in Santa Clara County

01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:22.160
shut down Tesla factory. You cannot operate. And the stock tanked like huge. And I said,

01:12:22.160 --> 01:12:30.100
opportunity. And I've been using a Tesla since 2012. And I love that car. The car is awesome.

01:12:30.100 --> 01:12:38.240
And I see the opportunity. Then I buy Tesla stock and I still hold it. It has gone up

01:12:38.240 --> 01:12:47.160
like crazy. Yeah. That is how you look for signals. And then when you see it, you act

01:12:47.160 --> 01:12:52.360
on it. That's the part, which is the hardest. The action part is the hardest part. People

01:12:52.360 --> 01:12:58.640
see it, but they don't act. People have seen when they went to place a trade, they worry

01:12:58.640 --> 01:13:03.760
about the commission. They worry about that. They worry about the tick. The next tick is

01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:13.560
going up or going down. Who cares? Think big picture and invest and then forget, sit tight.

01:13:13.560 --> 01:13:23.360
Time in the market is way more important than timing the market. See time in the market

01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:28.560
as opposed to timing it. Don't time it. It is pointless. In fact, it'll hurt you if you

01:13:28.560 --> 01:13:36.680
time it. Just sit tight. I invested in Apple before this guy. What's his name? Warren Buffett.

01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:43.680
Before him. Yes. Yes. That helps. That helps.

01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:46.040
Thanks a lot, Nilesh. It was clear enough.

01:13:46.040 --> 01:13:49.720
You're welcome. There are more questions here, please.

01:13:49.720 --> 01:14:02.600
Thank you so much, Nilesh. I'll compromise with the formality part now and I'll get up

01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:06.720
to the question I want to ask you. The question I wanted to ask you just next to the Devarshi

01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:11.000
what he has asked you is more similar and you talked about the rationality. What I wanted

01:14:11.000 --> 01:14:15.760
to ask you is, do you think that the rationality is something that comes up with the experiences

01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:21.840
or it has to be certainly backed with a pile of experiences of your life and can't we get

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:28.840
it at the age of 17 or 16, reading piles of books and getting the experience of insights

01:14:28.840 --> 01:14:35.680
and a lot of things and then get our thoughts rational, so-called. Does it need necessarily

01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:41.520
the experiences in order to be rational or to have rational thoughts for that matter?

01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:49.120
No, I would say irrational can be better than rational. That's first. The second thing I

01:14:49.120 --> 01:14:55.720
would say is, if you keep waiting for all the books to be read, that will be too late

01:14:55.720 --> 01:15:01.400
because there are way too many books. So the way I would do is I'll select some books that

01:15:01.400 --> 01:15:08.960
I like, start reading them halfway through. I stop. Don't even finish the book, but I

01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.800
get the book's essence and I try to experiment with it. If I like that idea and like the

01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:19.440
outcome, I'll probably read the book a little bit more. If not, I'll leave the book on my

01:15:19.440 --> 01:15:24.440
desk, leave it alone. I have tons of books that I haven't even finished reading because

01:15:24.440 --> 01:15:33.000
I don't want to. I think that's the rational way to be irrational, to not actually finish

01:15:33.000 --> 01:15:36.880
all the books because you will never. You want to do things as opposed to just keep

01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:46.520
reading. So read some, do some and read again and do again and fail, fail hundreds of times.

01:15:46.520 --> 01:15:49.520
That's the way you win.

01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:57.680
I really like that analogy in English, like read some, do some, read some, do some. I

01:15:57.680 --> 01:16:00.680
think that's the way it should be as well.

01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:11.600
Actually, the needed content, that chapter I only preferred to read at the first place

01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:18.760
and then I left the book, like starting investing at my play table. I don't read all of them.

01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:23.200
Don't read as much. So this is my hypothesis here. If you have a hundred minutes of time

01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:28.200
and if you're reading for 20 minutes, then 80 minutes, you should marinate and think

01:16:28.200 --> 01:16:34.080
about how you can actually apply that pattern or that meta pattern in your life. So you

01:16:34.080 --> 01:16:39.520
read principle agent problem from Naval. Now go apply principle agent problem in your relationship

01:16:39.520 --> 01:16:45.080
with your boss. When your boss asks something, then try to see how principle agent problem

01:16:45.080 --> 01:16:51.560
is working or do go apply it to your relationship with your girlfriend or with your friend.

01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:57.680
Look at who of your friends say yes to you because they seek a favor from you or seek,

01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:01.320
you know, see other friends who don't give a shit about what you think of them, but tell

01:17:01.320 --> 01:17:06.520
you what they exactly think of you. That is principle agent problem in action and if you're

01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:12.400
not doing that, you'll be good at party conversations and talk about principle agent problem, but

01:17:12.400 --> 01:17:18.280
you will never move from the point of idea to action or experimentation. So move to experimentation

01:17:18.280 --> 01:17:24.800
and that's probably the point that Nilesh is saying that, you know, read a little, experiment

01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:31.040
a lot and don't trust books, by the way, they are 80 to 90% lies because they are written

01:17:31.040 --> 01:17:35.920
to build a perception of the author in your mind. So they can sell more books or whatever

01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:42.440
their presence. So don't trust people in general who, because all books are generally narratives.

01:17:42.440 --> 01:17:47.040
That's another hypothesis. Yes. So, yeah, essence is. Yes, exactly. It's basically a

01:17:47.040 --> 01:17:55.920
marketing tool for the author mostly. Like the book is never written to tell you the

01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:03.440
truth. The book is always written to entertain you because most people want to be entertained.

01:18:03.440 --> 01:18:08.000
They don't want to, you know, get out of their comfort zone and experiment with a new idea

01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:14.640
they learned or marinate on it or find a pattern in it. No, they don't want to do that. A lot

01:18:14.640 --> 01:18:18.840
of them want to be entertained and in their parties and in their conversations, they want

01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:25.320
to sound intelligent, talking about those things. And that's what authors seek as well,

01:18:25.320 --> 01:18:31.040
that they want to entertain you. But don't you think that the book is somewhat the reflection

01:18:31.040 --> 01:18:35.360
of all the experiences or the experimentation of the author for that matter, that they write

01:18:35.360 --> 01:18:43.280
it in a textual form? Truth is stranger than fiction, buddy. Truth is stranger than fiction.

01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:48.820
So I'll give you a very simple example, right? So we are here for 30 minutes, okay? And each

01:18:48.820 --> 01:18:54.080
minute of your life, you can label us, you know, good, bad, good, bad, right? But when

01:18:54.080 --> 01:19:00.000
I say how was the half an hour you spent with Nilesh, you will summarize those 30 rows of

01:19:00.000 --> 01:19:06.560
SQL data as one thing, good, bad, or whatever. But what is that? That's information loss.

01:19:06.560 --> 01:19:12.760
Because any aggregation is an exercise in information loss, which means everybody who's

01:19:12.760 --> 01:19:18.880
telling a story cannot tell you the vivid nature of reality. They're always trying to

01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:24.640
fit a narrative so that when you listen to it, it's entertaining, it's engaging. And

01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:34.240
anything optimized for engagement and entertainment is unlikely to be about truth. Okay, so just

01:19:34.240 --> 01:19:39.440
take some ideas from it, experiment with it. That's where the, you know, that's, that's

01:19:39.440 --> 01:19:45.000
kind of enough. Don't trust the narratives that people weave around you, especially books.

01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:49.200
I mean, how would, I mean, why would they be even writing a book if they are so content

01:19:49.200 --> 01:19:53.440
with their life and they're so awesome? They're writing a book because they want you to be

01:19:53.440 --> 01:19:58.560
engaged with it. Sorry, I could be wrong.

01:19:58.560 --> 01:20:04.840
I differ here and the point is not every book is written for engagement. And previously

01:20:04.840 --> 01:20:11.520
how knowledge was shared from one generation to another was through a medium of writing.

01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.960
And when people were writing and we have great books, right? And we have learned through

01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:20.680
books, we have been in schools reading books. And a lot of principles that we read today

01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:26.520
are comedies and a lot of others, they came and we studied from books, right? So I don't

01:20:26.520 --> 01:20:31.960
think so that those were written for engagement or they were trying to weave an idea around

01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:37.880
you. So if that is the case where you believe that somebody is trying to sell you something

01:20:37.880 --> 01:20:42.560
and weaving an idea around you, then so is conversation. Conversation is also in common.

01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:47.400
Which is exactly, yeah, definitely. I mean, why do you think I am here on Twitter or you

01:20:47.400 --> 01:20:51.960
are here on Twitter? You are selling your persona, I am selling my persona and we want

01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:56.240
to engage with relevant people. I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying.

01:20:56.240 --> 01:21:07.680
Let's play it nice here, people. I will speak one by one. Don't speak and only another one.

01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:15.840
Yeah, Gogan, you can go ahead. Then we can go to Devashi and Amul, you can add your points

01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:20.840
as well.

01:21:20.840 --> 01:21:35.760
So the idea is, see, I don't think it's a sell idea. It's everyone's idea. It's something,

01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:40.280
so we cannot put a blanket statement to it or something. They say it's a waste of apples

01:21:40.280 --> 01:21:46.320
and they can't say that everything is a waste. I don't buy that idea. And if it's like that,

01:21:46.320 --> 01:21:52.640
well, on the contrary, what I think is that in their whole lifetime, when people achieve

01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:56.560
something, they do a lot of things and when they feel like, okay, that they want to pass

01:21:56.560 --> 01:22:02.760
on this knowledge to somebody else, they write one book, right? And when they write one book,

01:22:02.760 --> 01:22:08.720
they try to put everything they have learned, put maximum efforts to it, make sure that

01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:14.480
this stays and this passes on, right? And reaches the, you know, number of people they

01:22:14.480 --> 01:22:19.360
want to impact. So kind of book writing is kind of the best effort they're putting in

01:22:19.360 --> 01:22:22.840
something and it is one of the best jobs that they're doing.

01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:23.840
Yes.

01:22:23.840 --> 01:22:29.920
So I think if I read books, so like I have read this psychology of money, right? So I

01:22:29.920 --> 01:22:35.960
believe that is a great book and it is summary of a lot of things that I could not have learned.

01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:43.000
Yes, I think I agree. Books are good. Books are great. Books are bad. Books are dumb. And

01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:48.680
what I think Abul was talking about is the New York Times bestseller list. That's a list

01:22:48.680 --> 01:22:54.160
of all the dumb idiotic books. So you don't want to go there because anybody who ranks

01:22:54.160 --> 01:22:58.880
something is nonsense. You want to find out what is good for you and you can only do that

01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:04.240
by taking the books, read them, understand them, use them, apply them, throw them away,

01:23:04.240 --> 01:23:08.840
don't read them, do whatever you want, but it's about you doing the stuff. So I'll give

01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:15.360
you a very simple idea. The idea about a good product is not about the product. It's about

01:23:15.360 --> 01:23:20.560
the user of the product as to how the user is using the product. Same with books. It's

01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:25.040
not about the book. It's about the reader who is taking the book, consuming it, using

01:23:25.040 --> 01:23:31.360
it, applying it, doing shit out of it, making mistakes and dying out of it or making good

01:23:31.360 --> 01:23:37.480
things out of it. It's about the user, the reader. Books themselves are useful, but not

01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:45.440
every book is good and not every book is bad. It's the people how you make use of that counts.

01:23:45.440 --> 01:23:47.440
Keep going.

01:23:47.440 --> 01:23:53.160
Yeah. Here's what happens in this. Okay. And maybe that's when you miss the point that

01:23:53.160 --> 01:23:56.920
I was calling it a hypothesis. Okay. So when I say it is a hypothesis, by default, it doesn't

01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:03.520
mean everything. So please don't generalize that. And my hypothesis is this. Most books

01:24:03.520 --> 01:24:11.520
are written to be sold. Most books are written by people who want to be seen in a certain

01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:18.160
manner. I'm unsure if anybody has written a biography or autobiography and told the

01:24:18.160 --> 01:24:27.160
world all the bad things they have done in life. All of us want to be validated, engaged

01:24:27.160 --> 01:24:33.760
and valued. And which is what books are. Most of them are narratives. We mutate whatever

01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:41.240
reality to make sure we create a fiction out of it that can be a good story. Because good

01:24:41.240 --> 01:24:45.240
stories, by the way, are very rare. It's very difficult to create a series of events and

01:24:45.240 --> 01:24:50.000
say that, hey, everything added up. That's just us trying to fit a pattern there. So

01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:55.800
read about the concept of stories and anti-stories, by the way, folks. Again, hypothesis. I could

01:24:55.800 --> 01:25:04.480
be wrong so that people can go poking around, but 80-90% books are just propaganda or narratives.

01:25:04.480 --> 01:25:09.800
Try to understand. You are meant to experiment and learn on your own. 20 minutes spent on

01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:15.000
reading, 80 minutes spent on experimenting and building your own conviction. Don't trust

01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:19.800
me. Don't trust Nilesh. Don't trust anybody. Trust your experimentation to build your

01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:25.720
conviction because there is no silver bullet. Context is everything. So that's my hypothesis.

01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:31.120
Again, I could be wrong. I do agree with the last point, though, Amul, that 20% should

01:25:31.120 --> 01:25:36.720
be reading and 80% should be action because action is also the kind of great thing and

01:25:36.720 --> 01:25:43.080
makes results. Yes, Bahub would say Nike logo, just do it. He got offended when I inverted

01:25:43.080 --> 01:25:51.720
Nike logo. Yeah. Nike is kind of like my passion thing because it's such an emotion kind of

01:25:51.720 --> 01:25:56.640
thing. So, but I think we'll divide from the topical to go in that conversation. Yes, there

01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:04.480
are some. I just wanted to add this point. People go and read books and try to understand

01:26:04.480 --> 01:26:08.080
that. What is the intention of the author here? What is the story they are painting

01:26:08.080 --> 01:26:13.760
about themselves? And most likely you will understand that most books are narrative.

01:26:13.760 --> 01:26:18.520
And I'm saying most, not all. So few things are useful. Few books that talk about principles

01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:26.960
are useful. But most of them want you to feel entertained and engaged in it and not as much

01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:34.160
as you being effective. So try to be a little skeptical around that. That's my hypothesis.

01:26:34.160 --> 01:26:41.600
Thank you. Let's get in that discussion there. And anonymous, you have been here for a while.

01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.800
Not sure like what your profile is, but you can go ahead and mute and answer your question

01:26:45.800 --> 01:26:51.520
or ask your question. He's not just anonymous. He's unknown anonymous. He's unknown anonymous

01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:57.360
apparently. Unknown anonymous. Oh yeah, my bad. Because I think I only see the first

01:26:57.360 --> 01:27:17.680
few characters. No problem. Any language is okay.

01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:35.560
What

01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:37.560
You play music?

01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:39.560
I sing but I can't hear.

01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:41.560
You play music?

01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:43.560
Yes.

01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:45.560
You cook?

01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:47.560
Only for myself.

01:27:47.560 --> 01:27:49.560
I cook.

01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:51.560
You cook delicious food?

01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:53.560
To fill my stomach.

01:27:53.560 --> 01:27:55.560
I mean, I don't have that kind of talent.

01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.560
That's why I'm in tech.

01:27:57.560 --> 01:27:59.560
Tell me one thing that you did that you liked.

01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:01.560
One thing.

01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:03.560
Whatever it is.

01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.560
I can write.

01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:07.560
Then write.

01:28:07.560 --> 01:28:09.560
I can write.

01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:11.560
Then write.

01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:13.560
And write something that others like.

01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:15.560
Like do something for other people.

01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:17.560
That's how you start.

01:28:17.560 --> 01:28:19.560
Because that's the key to

01:28:19.560 --> 01:28:21.560
making money eventually.

01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:23.560
Where does the money come from?

01:28:23.560 --> 01:28:25.560
When they

01:28:25.560 --> 01:28:27.560
serve someone else.

01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:29.560
Help others.

01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.560
When you help other people,

01:28:31.560 --> 01:28:33.560
money is a side product.

01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:35.560
Byproduct of that process.

01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:37.560
It is not the outcome you want.

01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:39.560
It is the outcome you get.

01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:41.560
The outcome you want is satisfaction

01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:43.560
of the other person.

01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:45.560
Satisfy the other person.

01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:47.560
When he is satisfied,

01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:49.560
he will tell his friends.

01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:51.560
And his friends

01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:53.560
and all his friends will come to you.

01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:55.560
And then you will get money.

01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:57.560
So it's translating this into English.

01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.560
You want to help other people

01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:01.560
to satisfy what their objectives are.

01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:03.560
You want to understand what they're trying to accomplish

01:29:03.560 --> 01:29:05.560
and help them become successful.

01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:07.560
When your

01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:09.560
audience or whatever the other person is,

01:29:09.560 --> 01:29:11.560
he or she becomes successful,

01:29:11.560 --> 01:29:13.560
they go and talk about you with their friends.

01:29:13.560 --> 01:29:15.560
That is classic

01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:17.560
marketing. That's what you want.

01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:19.560
That's the best kind of marketing.

01:29:19.560 --> 01:29:21.560
When your customer

01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:23.560
or the person you're trying to help

01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:25.560
tells somebody, hey I know this guy.

01:29:25.560 --> 01:29:27.560
He's really really good. He helped me

01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:29.560
accomplish my goal.

01:29:29.560 --> 01:29:31.560
And so these other friends

01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:33.560
of his will come to you.

01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:35.560
And they'll not come alone.

01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:37.560
They'll bring their friends and family, uncles

01:29:37.560 --> 01:29:39.560
and aunties and everybody. They'll all come

01:29:39.560 --> 01:29:41.560
to you seeking help.

01:29:41.560 --> 01:29:43.560
And then you will see money coming in.

01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:45.560
That's how money comes.

01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:53.560
Don't chase money.

01:29:53.560 --> 01:29:55.560
Don't chase money.

01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.560
Chase money. Chase

01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:25.560
money.

01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:52.560
Go to

01:30:52.560 --> 01:30:53.560
go to

01:30:53.560 --> 01:31:00.120
what they want, what they want, and even if you have to work 2 miles away for it,

01:31:00.120 --> 01:31:03.160
but if you do that and give it value, then you get money.

01:31:03.160 --> 01:31:07.720
Because sometimes there are 8 things that you do for yourself, sitting idle.

01:31:07.720 --> 01:31:12.760
But if you want to earn money, then you have to understand and think about the world,

01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:15.320
and you have to do the work that you don't like.

01:31:15.320 --> 01:31:18.120
Meaning you have to make yourself understand.

01:31:18.120 --> 01:31:27.320
Today I have given myself a new title, J-level executive.

01:31:27.320 --> 01:31:29.320
J means janitor level executive.

01:31:29.320 --> 01:31:32.920
Janitor means janitor.

01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:37.240
So that is my new title, J-level executive.

01:31:37.240 --> 01:31:41.720
If you look at LinkedIn, you make yourself C-level, I am chief A, chief O.

01:31:41.720 --> 01:31:44.920
So I said I am J, janitor.

01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:52.520
I think you can just take some time.

01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:59.320
There are more questions here from other people, I don't know who came first.

01:31:59.320 --> 01:32:04.520
So Narayani, you want to go ahead, you have been here for part 1.

01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:11.320
Hi everyone, I think I am going to take lead from Shama and say Namaste everyone.

01:32:11.320 --> 01:32:13.320
I found that very interesting.

01:32:13.320 --> 01:32:16.920
Yeah, she is from France and she could say it so nicely.

01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:18.920
I think we should also try and say that.

01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:22.520
Nilesh, hi, it's a pleasure meeting you here on Spaces.

01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:27.720
So I had two questions, I wanted to know if I can take two questions.

01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:30.920
You can take as many as you want, go ahead.

01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:36.920
One is tech, the other is slightly tangential, it's non-tech.

01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:40.120
You've been a UPSC man, you've been in the government services,

01:32:40.120 --> 01:32:48.920
you're also a tech man today and I'm sure you're doing a few other things also parallelly.

01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:52.520
I'm in the recruitment space, I'm also allied to the tech industry

01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:59.720
but my heart bleeds when I see all the youngsters chasing only tech.

01:32:59.720 --> 01:33:06.320
I'm not saying it's bad, but when I see so many people try that and fail,

01:33:06.320 --> 01:33:10.520
I feel bad that tech is not made for everyone.

01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:12.720
We have to play on our strengths.

01:33:12.720 --> 01:33:18.520
Maybe there is somebody who is good in logistics, somebody who is good in painting,

01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:21.520
somebody who is good in some other trade.

01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:27.720
What can we do so that everybody is not chasing tech?

01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:31.720
How else can we change the system in our own small way?

01:33:31.720 --> 01:33:36.520
What can we do to contribute to telling these youngsters that

01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:38.320
everyone should not go into tech?

01:33:38.320 --> 01:33:44.320
There are more opportunities in the market, there are more opportunities in India.

01:33:44.320 --> 01:33:45.520
What can we do?

01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:49.120
I don't know if there is an answer to this but it's just a way of thinking.

01:33:49.120 --> 01:33:51.320
I got your question, I'll give you the answer.

01:33:51.320 --> 01:33:53.320
So that's one thing.

01:33:53.320 --> 01:33:56.520
So hold your second question.

01:33:56.520 --> 01:33:57.720
I'll answer this first.

01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:59.520
Okay, hold it.

01:33:59.520 --> 01:34:02.920
So your question was, why everybody go in tech?

01:34:02.920 --> 01:34:03.920
Why not something else?

01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:06.120
There are hundreds of other things to do.

01:34:06.120 --> 01:34:12.920
So my response to that is, whether it is Java, C++, C-sharp or God knows whatever language,

01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:14.520
they don't matter.

01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:16.120
I will say the same thing.

01:34:16.120 --> 01:34:19.520
Tech doesn't matter.

01:34:19.520 --> 01:34:21.320
I'll tell you what matters.

01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:25.320
And I already told you while talking to anonymous and I'll repeat that.

01:34:25.320 --> 01:34:29.120
What matters is how you make other people successful.

01:34:29.120 --> 01:34:34.520
Now whether you can do by sweeping their floor or making roti for them or cooking for them

01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:40.520
or do whatever it takes driving them around, you know, or writing C++ code for them or

01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:45.120
writing assembly language programming or whatever it takes to make them successful.

01:34:45.120 --> 01:34:46.720
That is the primary goal.

01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:51.920
However, you do that with tech, without tech is not the point.

01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:53.920
That is not the point.

01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:56.320
The point is to make other people successful.

01:34:56.320 --> 01:34:57.120
That's it.

01:34:57.120 --> 01:35:01.120
There's no other point in life.

01:35:01.120 --> 01:35:03.920
How you do that is your choice.

01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:08.520
And this tech craze comes from the fact that people tend to compare themselves with their

01:35:08.520 --> 01:35:09.520
colleagues and co-workers.

01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:11.120
My friend did this.

01:35:11.120 --> 01:35:13.320
I will also do this.

01:35:13.320 --> 01:35:18.520
That's the origin of this nonsense.

01:35:18.520 --> 01:35:19.720
Does that answer your question?

01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.320
There's another.

01:35:23.320 --> 01:35:27.320
Thank you for taking that.

01:35:27.320 --> 01:35:31.320
Nilesh, there was a small point in this.

01:35:31.320 --> 01:35:41.320
I think that in the world we live in, in India, there are a lot of lower middle class people

01:35:41.320 --> 01:35:45.320
who want to become middle class and so on and so forth.

01:35:45.320 --> 01:35:50.320
So what is the problem in primary life?

01:35:50.320 --> 01:35:55.320
The problem in primary life is to get enough food and rest.

01:35:55.320 --> 01:35:56.320
That's it.

01:35:56.320 --> 01:36:02.320
Every generation has a fad that there is more money in this.

01:36:02.320 --> 01:36:08.320
We are not a developed country like Finland where we will give you unemployment benefits.

01:36:08.320 --> 01:36:11.320
So that is not the case with us.

01:36:11.320 --> 01:36:17.320
Which means the primary driver for every generation, every decade is some kind of a field which is very popular.

01:36:17.320 --> 01:36:22.320
I think at your time, mechanical was that field in the 1970s and 80s.

01:36:22.320 --> 01:36:28.320
Everybody was into engineering or doctorate and if you become a mechanical engineer,

01:36:28.320 --> 01:36:32.320
you would get a job in sales or government jobs.

01:36:32.320 --> 01:36:34.320
The government jobs are still very crazy.

01:36:34.320 --> 01:36:37.320
This doesn't mean that children want to study for UPSC exams.

01:36:37.320 --> 01:36:40.320
This is that there is no money at home.

01:36:40.320 --> 01:36:43.320
My father had asked me to put it in the grocery store.

01:36:43.320 --> 01:36:45.320
Now I don't work in the grocery store.

01:36:45.320 --> 01:36:47.320
You can do engineering, you can study maths.

01:36:47.320 --> 01:36:52.320
Even if you don't do maths, you can read the book a hundred times in your head.

01:36:52.320 --> 01:36:54.320
So this is not a choice.

01:36:54.320 --> 01:36:59.320
This is a compulsion according to the system of our country.

01:36:59.320 --> 01:37:04.320
I don't know if you understand Hindi or not but this is not a choice.

01:37:04.320 --> 01:37:05.320
You do?

01:37:05.320 --> 01:37:06.320
Okay.

01:37:06.320 --> 01:37:08.320
So this is not our choice.

01:37:08.320 --> 01:37:10.320
I didn't come into tech because I didn't like tech.

01:37:10.320 --> 01:37:11.320
I didn't like tech at all.

01:37:11.320 --> 01:37:13.320
I wanted to become a Hindi poet.

01:37:13.320 --> 01:37:16.320
But my parents told me that my son is like this.

01:37:16.320 --> 01:37:18.320
They will make you sit in the grocery store.

01:37:18.320 --> 01:37:23.320
So either sit in the grocery store or earn some money by doing engineering.

01:37:23.320 --> 01:37:28.320
If they would have given me a Bachelor of Sweeping Technology, I would have done it.

01:37:28.320 --> 01:37:31.320
I used to get a job for Rs.25,000.

01:37:31.320 --> 01:37:35.320
So if I would have got a Bachelor of Sweeping Technology for Rs.25,000,

01:37:35.320 --> 01:37:36.320
I would have done it.

01:37:36.320 --> 01:37:39.320
They gave me a Bachelor of Computer Science and I did that.

01:37:39.320 --> 01:37:43.320
But I need two meals a day. For that, don't do any unethical work.

01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:45.320
But whatever you say, they will do it.

01:37:45.320 --> 01:37:47.320
Because we are businessmen.

01:37:47.320 --> 01:37:50.320
We should get some money and some comfort.

01:37:50.320 --> 01:37:55.320
The generation in which they are, I think if this will happen in 2030,

01:37:55.320 --> 01:37:57.320
then I will learn design.

01:37:57.320 --> 01:38:00.320
If in 2040 this will happen that if you get money by dancing,

01:38:00.320 --> 01:38:03.320
then I will get old but I will dance a little.

01:38:03.320 --> 01:38:06.320
Do you dance now?

01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:08.320
I dance for fun now.

01:38:08.320 --> 01:38:10.320
You have a good point, Amol.

01:38:10.320 --> 01:38:12.320
We do what everyone else is doing.

01:38:12.320 --> 01:38:16.320
Whether or not we have that capability or not,

01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:18.320
everyone is stuck in that.

01:38:18.320 --> 01:38:23.320
Sometimes I feel bad because I see so many young students,

01:38:23.320 --> 01:38:27.320
they choose tech and they fail in tech and they get stuck.

01:38:27.320 --> 01:38:30.320
They are stuck in that.

01:38:30.320 --> 01:38:34.320
It is aspirational, right? Everyone has to reach fang man.

01:38:34.320 --> 01:38:37.320
They don't play on their strengths.

01:38:37.320 --> 01:38:40.320
But then looking at it from your side,

01:38:40.320 --> 01:38:42.320
everyone has to do the same.

01:38:42.320 --> 01:38:45.320
It's a catch-22 situation.

01:38:45.320 --> 01:38:48.320
These are thoughts in my brain.

01:38:48.320 --> 01:38:51.320
So I just put it out because Vilesh was here.

01:38:51.320 --> 01:38:53.320
That's a very fair point.

01:38:53.320 --> 01:38:56.320
I also feel that there are many good things in life

01:38:56.320 --> 01:38:59.320
which should have the value of skill.

01:38:59.320 --> 01:39:03.320
But they don't have the value of skill and they are getting lost.

01:39:03.320 --> 01:39:05.320
For example, our Sanskrit language.

01:39:05.320 --> 01:39:10.320
Or there are so many other methods

01:39:10.320 --> 01:39:12.320
which are getting lost in our lives

01:39:12.320 --> 01:39:19.320
because they don't have a business outcome.

01:39:19.320 --> 01:39:23.320
They don't have a way to create a feasible business.

01:39:23.320 --> 01:39:28.320
The problem is that we don't have social security in our country.

01:39:28.320 --> 01:39:32.320
If I stop earning tomorrow,

01:39:32.320 --> 01:39:35.320
then who will pay the medical bills?

01:39:35.320 --> 01:39:37.320
Medical bills are so expensive.

01:39:37.320 --> 01:39:39.320
School fees are so high.

01:39:39.320 --> 01:39:41.320
If I think of doing something for my fun,

01:39:41.320 --> 01:39:43.320
then who will run this house?

01:39:43.320 --> 01:39:46.320
Our life gets lost in running the house.

01:39:46.320 --> 01:39:52.320
And 99% of us have this thought in our life

01:39:52.320 --> 01:39:54.320
that we should keep running the house.

01:39:54.320 --> 01:39:56.320
When it comes to running the house,

01:39:56.320 --> 01:40:03.320
we are against desires, strengths, aptitude,

01:40:03.320 --> 01:40:08.320
and all these luxuries.

01:40:08.320 --> 01:40:10.320
If I wanted to become a Hindi poet,

01:40:10.320 --> 01:40:12.320
then I would have become a good Hindi poet.

01:40:12.320 --> 01:40:14.320
But if I didn't earn two times a day,

01:40:14.320 --> 01:40:15.320
then how would I do it?

01:40:15.320 --> 01:40:17.320
Then I would have been sitting in the grocery store.

01:40:17.320 --> 01:40:19.320
Then no one would have listened to me on Twitter.

01:40:19.320 --> 01:40:23.320
So, I have become very wise.

01:40:23.320 --> 01:40:26.320
Okay, Nilesh, my second question, which is very, very tech.

01:40:26.320 --> 01:40:30.320
So recently I read that Amazon Prime video

01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:33.320
from microservices is moving to Mono.

01:40:33.320 --> 01:40:36.320
Yeah, I know the topic.

01:40:36.320 --> 01:40:38.320
Go ahead, question.

01:40:38.320 --> 01:40:41.320
So, we are all chasing microservices

01:40:41.320 --> 01:40:44.320
for the last five, six years or maybe more.

01:40:44.320 --> 01:40:46.320
Then suddenly there is a big guy who says,

01:40:46.320 --> 01:40:48.320
I'm shifting.

01:40:48.320 --> 01:40:52.320
What should we watch for,

01:40:52.320 --> 01:40:53.320
especially I'm a recruiter.

01:40:53.320 --> 01:40:55.320
I mean, I've got to be aware of what's happening

01:40:55.320 --> 01:40:56.320
in the tech industry.

01:40:56.320 --> 01:40:58.320
So, what do you think I should?

01:40:58.320 --> 01:41:00.320
Yeah, I'll tell you.

01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:02.320
So, there is this thing called,

01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:04.320
I'll speak in Hindi.

01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:07.320
One is a golden hammer.

01:41:07.320 --> 01:41:10.320
And one is a metal hammer.

01:41:10.320 --> 01:41:12.320
I'll now translate that into English.

01:41:12.320 --> 01:41:16.320
So, there are tools that a person who works with gold,

01:41:16.320 --> 01:41:17.320
goldsmith, he will use.

01:41:17.320 --> 01:41:21.320
And there are tools that a person who works with steel

01:41:21.320 --> 01:41:25.320
will use, the iron people, whatever they're called.

01:41:25.320 --> 01:41:27.320
So, the tools are different for different things.

01:41:27.320 --> 01:41:29.320
You can put a sledgehammer

01:41:29.320 --> 01:41:31.320
or you can use a delicate scalpel

01:41:31.320 --> 01:41:33.320
to accomplish certain tasks.

01:41:33.320 --> 01:41:35.320
So, there are things needed for different things.

01:41:35.320 --> 01:41:37.320
There are tools available for accomplishing

01:41:37.320 --> 01:41:40.320
the thing that you want to have.

01:41:40.320 --> 01:41:45.320
If you apply a sledgehammer to peel garlic,

01:41:45.320 --> 01:41:49.320
what will you get is a smush, right?

01:41:49.320 --> 01:41:53.320
And so, the idea is to use the right tool for the right job.

01:41:53.320 --> 01:41:56.320
And what you're asking me is about the use of microservices

01:41:56.320 --> 01:41:59.320
versus monolith architecture.

01:41:59.320 --> 01:42:02.320
So, the answer to that specific question is,

01:42:02.320 --> 01:42:06.320
I want you to read the Prime Video Tech blog

01:42:06.320 --> 01:42:08.320
one more time for yourself.

01:42:08.320 --> 01:42:12.320
And you will find out that the blog doesn't even talk about

01:42:12.320 --> 01:42:15.320
everybody should migrate to monolith.

01:42:15.320 --> 01:42:19.320
It doesn't talk about microservices are dead.

01:42:19.320 --> 01:42:23.320
It talks about a specific thing that only applies

01:42:23.320 --> 01:42:25.320
to Prime Video Technology

01:42:25.320 --> 01:42:27.320
in terms of how the interprocess communication

01:42:27.320 --> 01:42:32.320
is saving them money by aggregating them into a monolith

01:42:32.320 --> 01:42:36.320
for a specific use case after having so many years

01:42:36.320 --> 01:42:38.320
of working with microservices

01:42:38.320 --> 01:42:42.320
and grown into a bigger infrastructure.

01:42:42.320 --> 01:42:45.320
So, now it makes sense for that particular use case

01:42:45.320 --> 01:42:46.320
to consolidate.

01:42:46.320 --> 01:42:50.320
And therefore, they did it for that use case.

01:42:50.320 --> 01:42:53.320
It doesn't mean microservices are dead.

01:42:53.320 --> 01:42:57.320
It doesn't mean that the only way is to go with a big machine.

01:42:57.320 --> 01:43:00.320
That's not the idea.

01:43:00.320 --> 01:43:05.320
So, bottom line is to read your blog one more time.

01:43:05.320 --> 01:43:07.320
Got that. Got that.

01:43:07.320 --> 01:43:08.320
Thanks, Nilesh. Thank you.

01:43:08.320 --> 01:43:12.320
You're welcome.

01:43:12.320 --> 01:43:13.320
Next, please.

01:43:13.320 --> 01:43:16.320
Thanks, Bhavo. Thanks for giving the mic.

01:43:16.320 --> 01:43:20.320
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us.

01:43:20.320 --> 01:43:21.320
Yeah.

01:43:21.320 --> 01:43:23.320
So, I think...

01:43:23.320 --> 01:43:25.320
I want to add one thing, Narayani.

01:43:25.320 --> 01:43:28.320
And the doubt that you had

01:43:28.320 --> 01:43:31.320
that how did the narrative of monolith

01:43:31.320 --> 01:43:34.320
change from microservices?

01:43:34.320 --> 01:43:37.320
So, the devil is in the details.

01:43:37.320 --> 01:43:40.320
And as I said, you'll hear a little bit about

01:43:40.320 --> 01:43:43.320
whenever we do information aggregation,

01:43:43.320 --> 01:43:46.320
there is a loss of information.

01:43:46.320 --> 01:43:47.320
Correct?

01:43:47.320 --> 01:43:50.320
So, you can say the value of any distribution of data

01:43:50.320 --> 01:43:53.320
is its mean value, average value is 5.

01:43:53.320 --> 01:43:56.320
But that 5 value can be distributed in any way.

01:43:56.320 --> 01:43:57.320
So, what happened?

01:43:57.320 --> 01:43:59.320
All the things that you read from news sources,

01:43:59.320 --> 01:44:01.320
the headlines of news sources,

01:44:01.320 --> 01:44:03.320
or the things that are said above,

01:44:03.320 --> 01:44:04.320
that is aggregation.

01:44:04.320 --> 01:44:06.320
Because their work is approximation.

01:44:06.320 --> 01:44:08.320
They can't print the whole blog in detail.

01:44:08.320 --> 01:44:10.320
And the approximation

01:44:10.320 --> 01:44:11.320
requires information loss.

01:44:11.320 --> 01:44:14.320
As I said, if you make 30 rows of data into one row,

01:44:14.320 --> 01:44:16.320
the details of 30 rows are lost.

01:44:16.320 --> 01:44:18.320
There is only one thing left.

01:44:18.320 --> 01:44:21.320
And that one thing can be right or wrong.

01:44:21.320 --> 01:44:23.320
What happened in this case?

01:44:23.320 --> 01:44:26.320
And again, I'll push the narrative once.

01:44:26.320 --> 01:44:28.320
If people had said that

01:44:28.320 --> 01:44:30.320
when I read the blog,

01:44:30.320 --> 01:44:34.320
monolith and microservices are a decent mix.

01:44:34.320 --> 01:44:36.320
There is no major change.

01:44:36.320 --> 01:44:40.320
So, you don't read their LinkedIn blog post or news.

01:44:40.320 --> 01:44:42.320
So, what did the influencers do?

01:44:42.320 --> 01:44:44.320
They said things that made you feel good.

01:44:44.320 --> 01:44:45.320
Correct.

01:44:45.320 --> 01:44:48.320
That made you feel happy, sad, or tensed.

01:44:48.320 --> 01:44:51.320
Or you felt, wow, this is a new thing.

01:44:51.320 --> 01:44:53.320
Because they write to entertain.

01:44:53.320 --> 01:44:55.320
And the things written to entertain

01:44:55.320 --> 01:44:57.320
are often a bit false.

01:44:57.320 --> 01:44:59.320
Because they are fitting a narrative.

01:44:59.320 --> 01:45:02.320
And because of this, this whole narrative has been made.

01:45:02.320 --> 01:45:05.320
Oh no, microservices have become useless.

01:45:05.320 --> 01:45:07.320
Now monolith will work.

01:45:07.320 --> 01:45:09.320
This story was set because

01:45:09.320 --> 01:45:12.320
they approximated the information in this way

01:45:12.320 --> 01:45:14.320
so that you can be entertained.

01:45:14.320 --> 01:45:18.320
Otherwise, how do you like the LinkedIn post or Twitter post?

01:45:18.320 --> 01:45:22.320
I think I can be wrong, obviously.

01:45:24.320 --> 01:45:26.320
Thank you.

01:45:26.320 --> 01:45:30.320
Next, please.

01:45:32.320 --> 01:45:34.320
There are a couple of hands here.

01:45:34.320 --> 01:45:36.320
Hi, Nilesh.

01:45:36.320 --> 01:45:38.320
Hi.

01:45:38.320 --> 01:45:40.320
Hello.

01:45:40.320 --> 01:45:44.320
I have a question that I want to ask directly.

01:45:44.320 --> 01:45:47.320
Basically, I have been working on Azure AWS GCP

01:45:47.320 --> 01:45:50.320
in the cloud for the last three years.

01:45:50.320 --> 01:45:52.320
Let me say one simple thing.

01:45:52.320 --> 01:45:54.320
Yes.

01:45:54.320 --> 01:45:56.320
Go ahead.

01:45:58.320 --> 01:46:00.320
I don't know.

01:46:00.320 --> 01:46:02.320
Go ahead.

01:46:02.320 --> 01:46:04.320
Don't know.

01:46:04.320 --> 01:46:06.320
Go ahead.

01:46:06.320 --> 01:46:08.320
Well, that's a good one.

01:46:08.320 --> 01:46:10.320
So I was just saying that

01:46:10.320 --> 01:46:12.320
I wanted to use some accounts

01:46:12.320 --> 01:46:14.320
to practice Handzone Labs.

01:46:14.320 --> 01:46:16.320
So I was confused between three platforms.

01:46:16.320 --> 01:46:20.320
A Cloud Guru, Vizlabs and Cloud Academy.

01:46:20.320 --> 01:46:22.320
So all three provide services.

01:46:22.320 --> 01:46:24.320
The cheapest one is Vizlabs.

01:46:24.320 --> 01:46:26.320
If I split it with two people,

01:46:26.320 --> 01:46:30.320
it would cost Rs. 4,000 per year.

01:46:30.320 --> 01:46:32.320
I can do that for just Rs. 4,000.

01:46:32.320 --> 01:46:34.320
So I was just...

01:46:34.320 --> 01:46:36.320
Can you share a bit about that?

01:46:36.320 --> 01:46:38.320
If you have any review about that?

01:46:38.320 --> 01:46:42.320
Or should I just take any one of three

01:46:42.320 --> 01:46:46.320
and just start working on the services?

01:46:46.320 --> 01:46:48.320
So you know what's happening here is

01:46:48.320 --> 01:46:50.320
that you are asking Apple computer company,

01:46:50.320 --> 01:46:52.320
the iPhone company,

01:46:52.320 --> 01:46:56.320
should I buy Samsung or my phone?

01:46:56.320 --> 01:46:58.320
Or should I buy another Android?

01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:00.320
You are asking Apple.

01:47:00.320 --> 01:47:02.320
That's what you just did, by the way.

01:47:02.320 --> 01:47:04.320
I'll tell you in English now.

01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:06.320
What you just did

01:47:06.320 --> 01:47:08.320
is asking the Apple CEO

01:47:08.320 --> 01:47:10.320
what should I buy in Android?

01:47:10.320 --> 01:47:14.320
Let me tell you why I say that.

01:47:14.320 --> 01:47:16.320
I am a school.

01:47:16.320 --> 01:47:18.320
I run an educational institution

01:47:18.320 --> 01:47:20.320
from my home.

01:47:20.320 --> 01:47:26.320
And I charge $13,140 for a two-month course.

01:47:26.320 --> 01:47:30.320
I am not even joking.

01:47:30.320 --> 01:47:32.320
You talked about these companies

01:47:32.320 --> 01:47:34.320
that I don't even know of.

01:47:34.320 --> 01:47:36.320
I heard their names, though.

01:47:36.320 --> 01:47:38.320
But they are supposed to be my competition.

01:47:38.320 --> 01:47:40.320
I don't think there is anybody

01:47:40.320 --> 01:47:42.320
that competes with me.

01:47:42.320 --> 01:47:46.320
I don't know anybody who charges like I do.

01:47:46.320 --> 01:47:48.320
I know the precise answer to your question

01:47:48.320 --> 01:47:50.320
about these companies that you mentioned.

01:47:50.320 --> 01:47:52.320
Because I don't care.

01:47:52.320 --> 01:47:54.320
What I care about

01:47:54.320 --> 01:47:58.320
is the people who come to join my programs.

01:47:58.320 --> 01:48:00.320
And that's what I care about.

01:48:00.320 --> 01:48:02.320
I care about their success.

01:48:02.320 --> 01:48:04.320
So to precisely answer your question,

01:48:04.320 --> 01:48:06.320
I don't know.

01:48:06.320 --> 01:48:08.320
Okay, sure.

01:48:08.320 --> 01:48:10.320
I was unaware.

01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:12.320
I should have researched more.

01:48:12.320 --> 01:48:20.320
Next, please.

01:48:20.320 --> 01:48:24.320
I hope that I am pronouncing that correctly, though.

01:48:24.320 --> 01:48:28.320
You are up next.

01:48:28.320 --> 01:48:30.320
Can you hear me?

01:48:30.320 --> 01:48:32.320
Yes.

01:48:32.320 --> 01:48:34.320
Hello.

01:48:34.320 --> 01:48:36.320
Yes, we can hear you.

01:48:36.320 --> 01:48:38.320
Thank you very much, guys.

01:48:38.320 --> 01:48:40.320
I don't understand Hindu.

01:48:40.320 --> 01:48:42.320
I think most of the conversation

01:48:42.320 --> 01:48:44.320
I did not follow up.

01:48:44.320 --> 01:48:46.320
My question is,

01:48:46.320 --> 01:48:48.320
Nilesh,

01:48:48.320 --> 01:48:50.320
thank you very much

01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:52.320
for this space.

01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:54.320
I could not get a lot of what you were saying.

01:48:54.320 --> 01:48:56.320
But I was really interested

01:48:56.320 --> 01:48:58.320
in the first part where you started.

01:48:58.320 --> 01:49:00.320
Because I am currently still working.

01:49:00.320 --> 01:49:02.320
I switch calls.

01:49:02.320 --> 01:49:04.320
You said you left

01:49:04.320 --> 01:49:06.320
with your child and your wife.

01:49:06.320 --> 01:49:08.320
You left for the U.S.

01:49:08.320 --> 01:49:10.320
and then, yeah, the whole story.

01:49:10.320 --> 01:49:12.320
So I am actually in that kind of place right now.

01:49:12.320 --> 01:49:14.320
I am just 25.

01:49:14.320 --> 01:49:16.320
I am already married.

01:49:16.320 --> 01:49:18.320
But I still have this fear of leaving my country.

01:49:18.320 --> 01:49:20.320
I am doing fine currently.

01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:22.320
But I believe there is probably something

01:49:22.320 --> 01:49:24.320
better that I can actually do outside.

01:49:24.320 --> 01:49:26.320
But I still have this fear.

01:49:26.320 --> 01:49:28.320
Let me give you background.

01:49:28.320 --> 01:49:30.320
I am the third out of a family of seven.

01:49:30.320 --> 01:49:32.320
And right now,

01:49:32.320 --> 01:49:34.320
I think most like my family depends on me.

01:49:34.320 --> 01:49:36.320
Like the income I actually make.

01:49:36.320 --> 01:49:38.320
In a U.S. based company.

01:49:38.320 --> 01:49:40.320
But I work remotely.

01:49:40.320 --> 01:49:42.320
And I actually want to further my studies.

01:49:42.320 --> 01:49:44.320
But I still have this, okay, the family is actually

01:49:44.320 --> 01:49:46.320
dependent on me.

01:49:46.320 --> 01:49:48.320
If I want to actually go out now,

01:49:48.320 --> 01:49:50.320
I would actually probably go out by school.

01:49:50.320 --> 01:49:52.320
Which means I would probably leave my job

01:49:52.320 --> 01:49:54.320
and then start working.

01:49:54.320 --> 01:49:56.320
So that transition phase is what is probably still tying me down.

01:49:56.320 --> 01:49:58.320
I would actually want to apply for schools

01:49:58.320 --> 01:50:00.320
or apply for jobs that would take me outside.

01:50:00.320 --> 01:50:02.320
But I still have this fear that, okay,

01:50:02.320 --> 01:50:04.320
what would happen to my family when I leave?

01:50:04.320 --> 01:50:06.320
Right now, everything is just on me.

01:50:06.320 --> 01:50:08.320
So I don't know how to actually go about it.

01:50:08.320 --> 01:50:10.320
So what I actually did was

01:50:10.320 --> 01:50:12.320
currently I am trying to like set up a business

01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:14.320
for them. But it's really, really

01:50:14.320 --> 01:50:16.320
eating me up like very, very much.

01:50:16.320 --> 01:50:18.320
And that's where I currently am. Like I'm very

01:50:18.320 --> 01:50:20.320
confused. Like

01:50:20.320 --> 01:50:22.320
yes. And

01:50:22.320 --> 01:50:24.320
I don't just know what to do.

01:50:24.320 --> 01:50:26.320
So I will give you my perspective

01:50:26.320 --> 01:50:28.320
on what I understood from you. And I think

01:50:28.320 --> 01:50:30.320
it's a very general answer. But I

01:50:30.320 --> 01:50:32.320
think you might take inferences from

01:50:32.320 --> 01:50:34.320
it to apply to your situation.

01:50:34.320 --> 01:50:36.320
Imagine that

01:50:36.320 --> 01:50:38.320
you are lying on the floor

01:50:38.320 --> 01:50:40.320
on the ground in a football

01:50:40.320 --> 01:50:42.320
field. You're flat.

01:50:44.320 --> 01:50:46.320
Now in that situation, can

01:50:46.320 --> 01:50:48.320
you fall?

01:50:48.320 --> 01:50:50.320
No, you cannot fall because

01:50:50.320 --> 01:50:52.320
you're already on the ground, right?

01:50:52.320 --> 01:50:54.320
So that is what I

01:50:54.320 --> 01:50:56.320
call low spot

01:50:56.320 --> 01:50:58.320
in your life. That's the lowest

01:50:58.320 --> 01:51:00.320
you can go. Fall on the

01:51:00.320 --> 01:51:02.320
ground flat in

01:51:02.320 --> 01:51:04.320
a football field.

01:51:04.320 --> 01:51:06.320
Can you go lower? No.

01:51:06.320 --> 01:51:08.320
Not possible unless you start digging.

01:51:08.320 --> 01:51:10.320
Not possible.

01:51:10.320 --> 01:51:12.320
So that is the

01:51:12.320 --> 01:51:14.320
base level.

01:51:14.320 --> 01:51:16.320
You reach that level. And when you

01:51:16.320 --> 01:51:18.320
are there, the only

01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:20.320
thing you can do is to grow and go

01:51:20.320 --> 01:51:22.320
up.

01:51:22.320 --> 01:51:24.320
So what you should focus

01:51:24.320 --> 01:51:26.320
on when you are feeling afraid

01:51:26.320 --> 01:51:28.320
is to elevate

01:51:28.320 --> 01:51:30.320
your Plan B.

01:51:30.320 --> 01:51:32.320
Elevate Plan B. What does it

01:51:32.320 --> 01:51:34.320
mean? It means the ground

01:51:34.320 --> 01:51:36.320
that you're lying on is actually the

01:51:36.320 --> 01:51:38.320
alternative because what you want is

01:51:38.320 --> 01:51:40.320
something better. You want to go

01:51:40.320 --> 01:51:42.320
to the next level, the higher level.

01:51:42.320 --> 01:51:44.320
Like you want to go reach the stars,

01:51:44.320 --> 01:51:46.320
the moon, whatever it is. So you

01:51:46.320 --> 01:51:48.320
want to elevate your ground

01:51:48.320 --> 01:51:50.320
itself.

01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:52.320
And that is what you should focus on

01:51:52.320 --> 01:51:54.320
to reduce the fear that you have.

01:51:54.320 --> 01:51:56.320
Because you suddenly are

01:51:56.320 --> 01:51:58.320
at a higher level ground.

01:51:58.320 --> 01:52:00.320
And when you are on the higher level

01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:02.320
ground, you're better than the previous level

01:52:02.320 --> 01:52:04.320
ground, but you're still

01:52:04.320 --> 01:52:06.320
slightly better. And you keep

01:52:06.320 --> 01:52:08.320
improving your worst case

01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:10.320
scenario.

01:52:10.320 --> 01:52:12.320
Keep improving the worst possible thing

01:52:12.320 --> 01:52:14.320
that could happen is what you should

01:52:14.320 --> 01:52:16.320
prepare for and hope

01:52:16.320 --> 01:52:18.320
you will reach the moon.

01:52:18.320 --> 01:52:20.320
That's how you overcome

01:52:20.320 --> 01:52:22.320
fear. You overcome

01:52:22.320 --> 01:52:24.320
fear by improving your worst

01:52:24.320 --> 01:52:26.320
possible situation, the

01:52:26.320 --> 01:52:28.320
evil, most bad situation.

01:52:28.320 --> 01:52:30.320
Improve it. Other

01:52:30.320 --> 01:52:32.320
things will automatically improve

01:52:32.320 --> 01:52:34.320
as a consequence.

01:52:34.320 --> 01:52:36.320
Because

01:52:36.320 --> 01:52:38.320
that's called BATNA.

01:52:38.320 --> 01:52:40.320
You can search it on Google. I will

01:52:40.320 --> 01:52:42.320
spell it for you. B

01:52:42.320 --> 01:52:44.320
A T

01:52:44.320 --> 01:52:46.320
N A

01:52:46.320 --> 01:52:48.320
BATNA. Best

01:52:48.320 --> 01:52:50.320
alternative

01:52:50.320 --> 01:52:52.320
to a negotiated agreement.

01:52:52.320 --> 01:52:54.320
It's a negotiations

01:52:54.320 --> 01:52:56.320
phrase. You can read more about it,

01:52:56.320 --> 01:52:58.320
BATNA. Always improve

01:52:58.320 --> 01:53:00.320
your BATNA.

01:53:00.320 --> 01:53:02.320
That's the worst possible situation for you.

01:53:02.320 --> 01:53:04.320
That's where the fear comes from.

01:53:04.320 --> 01:53:06.320
Fear comes from

01:53:06.320 --> 01:53:08.320
a potential disaster.

01:53:08.320 --> 01:53:10.320
And so if you

01:53:10.320 --> 01:53:12.320
elevate your ground,

01:53:12.320 --> 01:53:14.320
a little bit higher every day.

01:53:14.320 --> 01:53:16.320
Maybe every other day.

01:53:16.320 --> 01:53:18.320
However slow. But you're

01:53:18.320 --> 01:53:20.320
reducing your fear level. And when

01:53:20.320 --> 01:53:22.320
your fear reduces, you improve.

01:53:22.320 --> 01:53:24.320
And you're able to accomplish your better

01:53:24.320 --> 01:53:26.320
goal easier.

01:53:26.320 --> 01:53:28.320
That's a general way of thinking.

01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:30.320
BATNA.

01:53:30.320 --> 01:53:32.320
B A T N A.

01:53:32.320 --> 01:53:34.320
Google it.

01:53:34.320 --> 01:53:36.320
Okay.

01:53:36.320 --> 01:53:38.320
So thank you. Thank you very much.

01:53:38.320 --> 01:53:40.320
Yeah. And also I want

01:53:40.320 --> 01:53:42.320
to quickly speak to Narain

01:53:42.320 --> 01:53:44.320
Narayani. I don't know if I'm pronouncing

01:53:44.320 --> 01:53:46.320
that right. Okay.

01:53:46.320 --> 01:53:48.320
So you actually said you're into recruiting.

01:53:48.320 --> 01:53:50.320
And yeah, I just want to use this chance

01:53:50.320 --> 01:53:52.320
to actually talk about the product I'm actually

01:53:52.320 --> 01:53:54.320
building. So

01:53:54.320 --> 01:53:56.320
the whole layoff, people are currently being

01:53:56.320 --> 01:53:58.320
laid off. And people are actually also coming into

01:53:58.320 --> 01:54:00.320
tech newly. So with the

01:54:00.320 --> 01:54:02.320
use of generative AI, I am

01:54:02.320 --> 01:54:04.320
actually trying to like go to the internet on a daily

01:54:04.320 --> 01:54:06.320
basis, look for jobs, generate

01:54:06.320 --> 01:54:08.320
cover letters, CVs, and mock

01:54:08.320 --> 01:54:10.320
interviews for each job. I actually look for anybody.

01:54:10.320 --> 01:54:12.320
So that's actually what I'm doing currently.

01:54:12.320 --> 01:54:14.320
I'm building Jobanauts. So

01:54:14.320 --> 01:54:16.320
I just said I should actually share it as well.

01:54:16.320 --> 01:54:18.320
It's like a side project I'm

01:54:18.320 --> 01:54:20.320
actually building. And possibly

01:54:20.320 --> 01:54:22.320
I would build it to actually look for

01:54:22.320 --> 01:54:24.320
probably look for investors and then scale it higher.

01:54:24.320 --> 01:54:26.320
So I sent you a message. Since you

01:54:26.320 --> 01:54:28.320
actually said you're into recruiting,

01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:30.320
probably we can have a quick call and

01:54:30.320 --> 01:54:32.320
yeah, talk about how we can

01:54:32.320 --> 01:54:34.320
be of help to ourselves and also people looking for

01:54:34.320 --> 01:54:36.320
jobs. Thank you.

01:54:36.320 --> 01:54:38.320
Sure. I just responded to your DM.

01:54:38.320 --> 01:54:44.320
Thank you.

01:54:44.320 --> 01:54:46.320
So I hope this

01:54:46.320 --> 01:54:48.320
conversation will go to the end.

01:54:48.320 --> 01:54:50.320
Then Mirish should be

01:54:50.320 --> 01:54:52.320
the next speaker.

01:54:52.320 --> 01:54:54.320
Next please.

01:54:54.320 --> 01:54:56.320
Alright, alright. So

01:54:56.320 --> 01:54:58.320
this another name is also

01:54:58.320 --> 01:55:00.320
very difficult for me to pronounce. It's

01:55:00.320 --> 01:55:02.320
Yas or Hars? Johan.

01:55:02.320 --> 01:55:04.320
The surname I'm pretty sure of.

01:55:04.320 --> 01:55:06.320
Yas.

01:55:06.320 --> 01:55:08.320
Just like in Punjabi.

01:55:08.320 --> 01:55:10.320
Jasvinder Chauhan.

01:55:10.320 --> 01:55:12.320
I was also thinking of the same thing.

01:55:12.320 --> 01:55:14.320
No, actually I'm a chain.

01:55:14.320 --> 01:55:16.320
Yeah, just me.

01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:18.320
Sorry, what's your name?

01:55:18.320 --> 01:55:20.320
I had a question.

01:55:20.320 --> 01:55:22.320
So you mentioned about

01:55:22.320 --> 01:55:24.320
the skill of thinking.

01:55:26.320 --> 01:55:28.320
Am I audible?

01:55:30.320 --> 01:55:32.320
Yeah, you're audible.

01:55:32.320 --> 01:55:34.320
You mentioned about

01:55:34.320 --> 01:55:36.320
skill of thinking. So according

01:55:36.320 --> 01:55:38.320
to me, I think that the thinking

01:55:38.320 --> 01:55:40.320
is a double-edged sword.

01:55:40.320 --> 01:55:42.320
The way you think and what you think

01:55:42.320 --> 01:55:44.320
can create or destroy you.

01:55:44.320 --> 01:55:46.320
So how do you

01:55:46.320 --> 01:55:48.320
suggest to

01:55:50.320 --> 01:55:52.320
develop the skill of thinking

01:55:52.320 --> 01:55:54.320
in a correct way?

01:55:58.320 --> 01:56:00.320
So how you develop the way to

01:56:00.320 --> 01:56:02.320
think, the way the

01:56:02.320 --> 01:56:04.320
thinking skill, how do you do that?

01:56:04.320 --> 01:56:06.320
You do it by thinking about it.

01:56:06.320 --> 01:56:08.320
That was a dumb joke.

01:56:08.320 --> 01:56:10.320
I think it comes from experience.

01:56:10.320 --> 01:56:12.320
It's about

01:56:12.320 --> 01:56:14.320
the basic origin of thinking

01:56:14.320 --> 01:56:16.320
is...

01:56:16.320 --> 01:56:18.320
Oops.

01:56:18.320 --> 01:56:20.320
Ouch.

01:56:20.320 --> 01:56:22.320
Lagi. Chot lagi na.

01:56:22.320 --> 01:56:24.320
Tam akal aati hai.

01:56:24.320 --> 01:56:26.320
Kiya re, idhar nahi jaana chahi hai.

01:56:26.320 --> 01:56:28.320
Yeh bachpan se hota hai. When you're a kid,

01:56:28.320 --> 01:56:30.320
you try to approach a fireplace,

01:56:30.320 --> 01:56:32.320
you burn your hand, you

01:56:32.320 --> 01:56:34.320
learn. You think about,

01:56:34.320 --> 01:56:36.320
oh, I should not go to the fire.

01:56:36.320 --> 01:56:38.320
That's when thinking starts.

01:56:38.320 --> 01:56:40.320
It is through your

01:56:40.320 --> 01:56:42.320
senses that you detect around you

01:56:42.320 --> 01:56:44.320
and you say, oops.

01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:46.320
Yeh toh galat hai. Garam hai.

01:56:46.320 --> 01:56:48.320
Chatka lagega. Shock lagega.

01:56:48.320 --> 01:56:50.320
This happens. That happens. So it

01:56:50.320 --> 01:56:52.320
is through negative feedback that you

01:56:52.320 --> 01:56:54.320
learn and you start to think about,

01:56:54.320 --> 01:56:56.320
hey, I should not put my finger in the

01:56:56.320 --> 01:56:58.320
electricity outlet.

01:56:58.320 --> 01:57:00.320
I mean, that's an extreme case, but

01:57:00.320 --> 01:57:02.320
I've done it, by the way. Yes,

01:57:02.320 --> 01:57:04.320
as an electrical engineering student,

01:57:04.320 --> 01:57:06.320
I put my hand in

01:57:06.320 --> 01:57:08.320
the...

01:57:08.320 --> 01:57:10.320
I'm just joking. I did not do that.

01:57:10.320 --> 01:57:12.320
What I actually did is I took

01:57:12.320 --> 01:57:14.320
an ampere meter and connected straight

01:57:14.320 --> 01:57:16.320
to the mains outlet. And the whole

01:57:16.320 --> 01:57:18.320
college electricity supply

01:57:18.320 --> 01:57:20.320
was out.

01:57:20.320 --> 01:57:22.320
I did that a long time ago, 83.

01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:24.320
Yeah, because I was trying to

01:57:24.320 --> 01:57:26.320
measure the short circuit current.

01:57:26.320 --> 01:57:28.320
And I used a

01:57:28.320 --> 01:57:30.320
heavy ampere meter to measure the amperes.

01:57:30.320 --> 01:57:32.320
How much amperes can come out?

01:57:32.320 --> 01:57:34.320
Let me measure it. And I said, boom.

01:57:34.320 --> 01:57:36.320
And then the whole

01:57:36.320 --> 01:57:38.320
light went off. That was expected.

01:57:38.320 --> 01:57:40.320
But that's how you learn.

01:57:40.320 --> 01:57:42.320
People talk about infinite

01:57:42.320 --> 01:57:44.320
current. If you short circuit something,

01:57:44.320 --> 01:57:46.320
it'll produce infinite current. I

01:57:46.320 --> 01:57:48.320
want to measure it. So I did measurement.

01:57:48.320 --> 01:57:50.320
You know what I'm talking about?

01:57:50.320 --> 01:57:52.320
That's how you measure.

01:57:52.320 --> 01:57:54.320
That's how you learn. Oh, that should not

01:57:54.320 --> 01:57:56.320
be the case, because there is something that is not

01:57:56.320 --> 01:57:58.320
infinite. It's not going to be infinite.

01:57:58.320 --> 01:58:00.320
Before that, the fuse will blow off.

01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:02.320
Or trip or

01:58:02.320 --> 01:58:04.320
will trip.

01:58:08.320 --> 01:58:10.320
Does that answer your question about how to think?

01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:12.320
It is very natural.

01:58:20.320 --> 01:58:22.320
By the way, Just, what is your name?

01:58:22.320 --> 01:58:24.320
What is your full name? Just Preet or Just Vinder?

01:58:24.320 --> 01:58:26.320
I didn't get that part.

01:58:26.320 --> 01:58:28.320
It's only

01:58:28.320 --> 01:58:30.320
Just Chauhan.

01:58:30.320 --> 01:58:32.320
Thank you.

01:58:40.320 --> 01:58:42.320
Yes, yes. Go ahead. Next one, please.

01:58:42.320 --> 01:58:44.320
But all right, all right.

01:58:44.320 --> 01:58:46.320
So Nakul has been here for a while

01:58:46.320 --> 01:58:48.320
as well. Nakul, you want to go

01:58:48.320 --> 01:58:50.320
ahead?

01:58:50.320 --> 01:58:52.320
So the question

01:58:52.320 --> 01:58:54.320
is,

01:58:54.320 --> 01:58:56.320
let's say India has the most

01:58:56.320 --> 01:58:58.320
working population. They are

01:58:58.320 --> 01:59:00.320
in 20 to 30.

01:59:00.320 --> 01:59:02.320
So there are so much

01:59:02.320 --> 01:59:04.320
employees right now. Everybody

01:59:04.320 --> 01:59:06.320
wants jobs.

01:59:06.320 --> 01:59:08.320
There will be so much

01:59:08.320 --> 01:59:10.320
coming into the industry for a while.

01:59:14.320 --> 01:59:16.320
So for a person like me who is just

01:59:16.320 --> 01:59:18.320
starting and who is seeing this competition

01:59:18.320 --> 01:59:20.320
and I'm ready to work

01:59:20.320 --> 01:59:22.320
for, I

01:59:22.320 --> 01:59:24.320
know where I am, so I'm willing to work

01:59:24.320 --> 01:59:26.320
because I need to work for

01:59:26.320 --> 01:59:28.320
my situation to get better.

01:59:28.320 --> 01:59:30.320
And so will everybody

01:59:30.320 --> 01:59:32.320
think, everybody will think like

01:59:32.320 --> 01:59:34.320
this only. So what are

01:59:34.320 --> 01:59:36.320
your views? How can we

01:59:36.320 --> 01:59:38.320
be prepared for

01:59:38.320 --> 01:59:40.320
all this situation?

01:59:40.320 --> 01:59:42.320
I'll tell you. Yes,

01:59:42.320 --> 01:59:44.320
yes. It's a very good question. It's a very good

01:59:44.320 --> 01:59:46.320
question. I'll answer it the way I think.

01:59:46.320 --> 01:59:48.320
So here is how you think.

01:59:48.320 --> 01:59:50.320
You have in your family,

01:59:50.320 --> 01:59:52.320
you have two kids, for example,

01:59:52.320 --> 01:59:54.320
and the dad brings

01:59:54.320 --> 01:59:56.320
home chocolate,

01:59:56.320 --> 01:59:58.320
two chocolate

01:59:58.320 --> 02:00:00.320
bars, Cadbury's Dairy Milk,

02:00:00.320 --> 02:00:02.320
two of them. Brings it home,

02:00:02.320 --> 02:00:04.320
gives one to each child.

02:00:04.320 --> 02:00:06.320
Both children are

02:00:06.320 --> 02:00:08.320
happy to get

02:00:08.320 --> 02:00:10.320
that chocolate candy bar and they're enjoying

02:00:10.320 --> 02:00:12.320
it and awesome and they feel very good about

02:00:12.320 --> 02:00:14.320
it. Both

02:00:14.320 --> 02:00:16.320
of them, what they actually do is cut it

02:00:16.320 --> 02:00:18.320
in half and put the other half in the refrigerator,

02:00:18.320 --> 02:00:20.320
eat the half for now and they will have

02:00:20.320 --> 02:00:22.320
some tomorrow. Nice.

02:00:22.320 --> 02:00:24.320
Now what happens is

02:00:24.320 --> 02:00:26.320
this dad

02:00:26.320 --> 02:00:28.320
gets

02:00:28.320 --> 02:00:30.320
three or four hundred candy bars

02:00:30.320 --> 02:00:32.320
home next day. Four hundred

02:00:32.320 --> 02:00:34.320
Cadbury's Dairy Milk

02:00:34.320 --> 02:00:36.320
brings it home

02:00:36.320 --> 02:00:38.320
and gives

02:00:38.320 --> 02:00:40.320
two hundred to each child.

02:00:40.320 --> 02:00:42.320
What do you think the

02:00:42.320 --> 02:00:44.320
child will feel about the

02:00:44.320 --> 02:00:46.320
35th candy bar?

02:00:48.320 --> 02:00:50.320
Candy bar number 35.

02:00:50.320 --> 02:00:52.320
What do you think they will think about it?

02:00:52.320 --> 02:00:54.320
Not that

02:00:54.320 --> 02:00:56.320
impressive. Not exactly.

02:00:56.320 --> 02:00:58.320
I am bored of

02:00:58.320 --> 02:01:00.320
eating that stupid Cadbury's Dairy Milk.

02:01:00.320 --> 02:01:02.320
I already had like five of them.

02:01:02.320 --> 02:01:04.320
I don't even want anymore.

02:01:04.320 --> 02:01:06.320
So what I was talking about is demand

02:01:06.320 --> 02:01:08.320
and supply.

02:01:08.320 --> 02:01:10.320
When you have too much of supply of candy

02:01:10.320 --> 02:01:12.320
bars, the value of a candy

02:01:12.320 --> 02:01:14.320
bar to the person who is consuming it

02:01:14.320 --> 02:01:16.320
is basically

02:01:16.320 --> 02:01:18.320
diminishing rapidly.

02:01:18.320 --> 02:01:20.320
That is what is happening

02:01:20.320 --> 02:01:22.320
in India. Too many people.

02:01:22.320 --> 02:01:24.320
And

02:01:24.320 --> 02:01:26.320
too few jobs.

02:01:26.320 --> 02:01:28.320
So what do you do?

02:01:28.320 --> 02:01:30.320
You get ready for becoming the 35th

02:01:30.320 --> 02:01:32.320
candy bar.

02:01:32.320 --> 02:01:34.320
You are good. You are Dairy Milk Cadbury's.

02:01:34.320 --> 02:01:36.320
Right. It's awesome. I like it.

02:01:36.320 --> 02:01:38.320
I eat myself.

02:01:38.320 --> 02:01:40.320
And so the problem is

02:01:40.320 --> 02:01:42.320
the first candy bar, the second candy

02:01:42.320 --> 02:01:44.320
bar, good. The 35th

02:01:44.320 --> 02:01:46.320
candy bar, not so great.

02:01:46.320 --> 02:01:48.320
And that's what

02:01:48.320 --> 02:01:50.320
everybody thinks they are. The 37th

02:01:50.320 --> 02:01:52.320
candy bar, the 38th candy bar.

02:01:52.320 --> 02:01:54.320
Like how will you now survive? Nobody wants

02:01:54.320 --> 02:01:56.320
you. So what do you do?

02:01:56.320 --> 02:01:58.320
You stop

02:01:58.320 --> 02:02:00.320
chasing that stupid

02:02:00.320 --> 02:02:02.320
job. Don't do it.

02:02:02.320 --> 02:02:04.320
Don't chase it.

02:02:04.320 --> 02:02:06.320
Everybody, even in the US,

02:02:06.320 --> 02:02:08.320
thinks about getting a job

02:02:08.320 --> 02:02:10.320
because that's what they're told. They're told

02:02:10.320 --> 02:02:12.320
to get a job, grow, educate

02:02:12.320 --> 02:02:14.320
yourself, get a job.

02:02:14.320 --> 02:02:16.320
Go get a job.

02:02:16.320 --> 02:02:18.320
Don't just sit around. That's a fair

02:02:18.320 --> 02:02:20.320
thing. A fair assessment. Parents tell you

02:02:20.320 --> 02:02:22.320
all the time.

02:02:22.320 --> 02:02:24.320
But the origins of this job

02:02:24.320 --> 02:02:26.320
thing, or get a job, go get

02:02:26.320 --> 02:02:28.320
a job, work for a company in

02:02:28.320 --> 02:02:30.320
Fang Company, Mamta

02:02:30.320 --> 02:02:32.320
Company. Mamta stands for Microsoft

02:02:32.320 --> 02:02:34.320
Apple, Meta,

02:02:34.320 --> 02:02:36.320
Amazon,

02:02:36.320 --> 02:02:38.320
some tea company, I don't know what,

02:02:38.320 --> 02:02:40.320
and another

02:02:40.320 --> 02:02:42.320
A company. So there is some acronym. People

02:02:42.320 --> 02:02:44.320
have made up Fang Acronym and Mamta

02:02:44.320 --> 02:02:46.320
Acronym. God knows what.

02:02:46.320 --> 02:02:48.320
The point is that

02:02:48.320 --> 02:02:50.320
this thinking about going to work for an

02:02:50.320 --> 02:02:52.320
employer

02:02:52.320 --> 02:02:54.320
is an old way of thinking.

02:02:54.320 --> 02:02:56.320
Cut it out.

02:02:56.320 --> 02:02:58.320
See, the universities were established in

02:02:58.320 --> 02:03:00.320
1800s and 1900s

02:03:00.320 --> 02:03:02.320
to train people so that they can

02:03:02.320 --> 02:03:04.320
become good employees.

02:03:04.320 --> 02:03:06.320
So

02:03:06.320 --> 02:03:08.320
essentially that's the reason why we

02:03:08.320 --> 02:03:10.320
have universities, the modern

02:03:10.320 --> 02:03:12.320
university system and the grade

02:03:12.320 --> 02:03:14.320
12 schooling system and then

02:03:14.320 --> 02:03:16.320
four-year degree courses and all that

02:03:16.320 --> 02:03:18.320
are meant to produce good,

02:03:18.320 --> 02:03:20.320
obedient,

02:03:20.320 --> 02:03:22.320
hardworking employees

02:03:22.320 --> 02:03:24.320
who will keep working

02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:26.320
all their life.

02:03:26.320 --> 02:03:28.320
You don't want to get

02:03:28.320 --> 02:03:30.320
in that trap. You want to

02:03:30.320 --> 02:03:32.320
actually disassociate from that

02:03:32.320 --> 02:03:34.320
game altogether because you are

02:03:34.320 --> 02:03:36.320
likely to become the 35th

02:03:36.320 --> 02:03:38.320
candy bar.

02:03:38.320 --> 02:03:40.320
The fact of life.

02:03:40.320 --> 02:03:42.320
There are just too many of us

02:03:42.320 --> 02:03:44.320
in India and in China.

02:03:44.320 --> 02:03:46.320
Same thing. No difference.

02:03:46.320 --> 02:03:48.320
Just too many of us.

02:03:48.320 --> 02:03:50.320
Too few jobs.

02:03:50.320 --> 02:03:52.320
So don't go in that direction.

02:03:52.320 --> 02:03:54.320
Find something different. And how

02:03:54.320 --> 02:03:56.320
do you think about finding something different?

02:03:56.320 --> 02:03:58.320
The simplest way to think about

02:03:58.320 --> 02:04:00.320
it, I think I already mentioned. I'm going to mention

02:04:00.320 --> 02:04:02.320
it the third time.

02:04:02.320 --> 02:04:04.320
Find a way to make

02:04:04.320 --> 02:04:06.320
somebody else successful.

02:04:06.320 --> 02:04:08.320
That's it.

02:04:08.320 --> 02:04:10.320
Whatever it may be.

02:04:10.320 --> 02:04:12.320
Whatever it may be. Doesn't even matter what

02:04:12.320 --> 02:04:14.320
you're doing. It has nothing to do

02:04:14.320 --> 02:04:16.320
with technology or any other

02:04:16.320 --> 02:04:18.320
skill set. It is to identify

02:04:18.320 --> 02:04:20.320
how to make other people successful.

02:04:20.320 --> 02:04:22.320
Whatever it is.

02:04:22.320 --> 02:04:24.320
Drive a car, drive a taxi, make tea,

02:04:24.320 --> 02:04:26.320
open a paan shop.

02:04:26.320 --> 02:04:28.320
It doesn't matter.

02:04:28.320 --> 02:04:30.320
There are people from IITs, I know I

02:04:30.320 --> 02:04:32.320
just heard from somebody.

02:04:32.320 --> 02:04:34.320
There is a thing called IIT

02:04:34.320 --> 02:04:36.320
Pani Puri Wali

02:04:36.320 --> 02:04:38.320
in Delhi. There is a thing

02:04:38.320 --> 02:04:40.320
called IIT graduate from New Delhi

02:04:40.320 --> 02:04:42.320
and she is selling

02:04:42.320 --> 02:04:44.320
salwar kameez in

02:04:44.320 --> 02:04:46.320
Karnat place for several years

02:04:46.320 --> 02:04:48.320
now. There is absolutely

02:04:48.320 --> 02:04:50.320
nothing wrong with that. In fact,

02:04:50.320 --> 02:04:52.320
it's a great idea.

02:04:52.320 --> 02:04:54.320
If you are able to

02:04:54.320 --> 02:04:56.320
make people happy about the salwar they wear

02:04:56.320 --> 02:04:58.320
and the clothing that they wear,

02:04:58.320 --> 02:05:00.320
and you are able to produce them and give it to them

02:05:00.320 --> 02:05:02.320
every single time they want something new and bring out

02:05:02.320 --> 02:05:04.320
new innovative products and provide it to them

02:05:04.320 --> 02:05:06.320
to make the people who are buying your

02:05:06.320 --> 02:05:08.320
products, your clothing,

02:05:08.320 --> 02:05:10.320
it is the exact thing you should be

02:05:10.320 --> 02:05:12.320
doing.

02:05:12.320 --> 02:05:14.320
And so that is how you should think

02:05:14.320 --> 02:05:16.320
about chasing a job and

02:05:16.320 --> 02:05:18.320
chasing everybody doing JavaScript

02:05:18.320 --> 02:05:20.320
is not going to work.

02:05:20.320 --> 02:05:22.320
And I tell the same thing

02:05:22.320 --> 02:05:24.320
to my employees. They are not actually employees

02:05:24.320 --> 02:05:26.320
because I don't have any.

02:05:26.320 --> 02:05:28.320
What I have is transient workers

02:05:28.320 --> 02:05:30.320
who are what I call remote workers.

02:05:30.320 --> 02:05:32.320
They work whenever I need something, I will assign

02:05:32.320 --> 02:05:34.320
the task, they will do the task, I pay them money.

02:05:34.320 --> 02:05:36.320
And then I find a new

02:05:36.320 --> 02:05:38.320
task and they do the task and they do it for

02:05:38.320 --> 02:05:40.320
me and I give them money. And I had been

02:05:40.320 --> 02:05:42.320
doing this for many, many years.

02:05:42.320 --> 02:05:44.320
Close to 14 now.

02:05:44.320 --> 02:05:46.320
More than 14 actually.

02:05:46.320 --> 02:05:48.320
So it is not a full-time

02:05:48.320 --> 02:05:50.320
employee that I have, but I do have work.

02:05:50.320 --> 02:05:52.320
And I do that work that I want

02:05:52.320 --> 02:05:54.320
to give it to the people that I work,

02:05:54.320 --> 02:05:56.320
that work for me or the

02:05:56.320 --> 02:05:58.320
task that I don't want to do.

02:05:58.320 --> 02:06:00.320
I outsource them.

02:06:00.320 --> 02:06:02.320
So the

02:06:02.320 --> 02:06:04.320
thing that you should do

02:06:04.320 --> 02:06:06.320
and the thing that you should outsource

02:06:06.320 --> 02:06:08.320
comes from

02:06:08.320 --> 02:06:10.320
what Prahalad calls

02:06:10.320 --> 02:06:12.320
core competence.

02:06:12.320 --> 02:06:14.320
What is core competence?

02:06:14.320 --> 02:06:16.320
It is something that you

02:06:16.320 --> 02:06:18.320
really know how to do better than anybody

02:06:18.320 --> 02:06:20.320
else on the planet.

02:06:20.320 --> 02:06:22.320
So what is my core competence?

02:06:22.320 --> 02:06:24.320
My core competence is talking.

02:06:24.320 --> 02:06:26.320
I talk.

02:06:26.320 --> 02:06:28.320
So other people understand.

02:06:28.320 --> 02:06:30.320
I talk

02:06:30.320 --> 02:06:32.320
technology. So even a

02:06:32.320 --> 02:06:34.320
five-year-old can understand Linux.

02:06:36.320 --> 02:06:38.320
That's what I do.

02:06:38.320 --> 02:06:40.320
And that...

02:06:40.320 --> 02:06:42.320
I am not finished.

02:06:42.320 --> 02:06:44.320
Stand by.

02:06:44.320 --> 02:06:46.320
Stand by.

02:06:46.320 --> 02:06:48.320
I will tell you the core

02:06:48.320 --> 02:06:50.320
competence idea very clearly

02:06:50.320 --> 02:06:52.320
because I learned it from Prahalad.

02:06:52.320 --> 02:06:54.320
So if you

02:06:54.320 --> 02:06:56.320
imagine that you are a surgeon,

02:06:56.320 --> 02:06:58.320
like a heart surgeon who will do

02:06:58.320 --> 02:07:00.320
brain operation, heart operation, like really

02:07:00.320 --> 02:07:02.320
specialized surgeon, and you

02:07:02.320 --> 02:07:04.320
are in your home and it is nice

02:07:04.320 --> 02:07:06.320
and sunny outside

02:07:06.320 --> 02:07:08.320
and you have a backyard with grass

02:07:08.320 --> 02:07:10.320
and lots of tall grasses growing

02:07:10.320 --> 02:07:12.320
and you want that to be cut.

02:07:12.320 --> 02:07:14.320
In your next-door neighbor,

02:07:14.320 --> 02:07:16.320
there is a

02:07:16.320 --> 02:07:18.320
21-year-old handsome man

02:07:18.320 --> 02:07:20.320
who lives and

02:07:20.320 --> 02:07:22.320
he has a lawnmower and he is

02:07:22.320 --> 02:07:24.320
physically fit.

02:07:24.320 --> 02:07:26.320
And so what should you

02:07:26.320 --> 02:07:28.320
be doing if you want your lawn to be mowed?

02:07:28.320 --> 02:07:30.320
Should you mow the lawn

02:07:30.320 --> 02:07:32.320
yourself?

02:07:32.320 --> 02:07:34.320
Or should you pay the neighbor $20

02:07:34.320 --> 02:07:36.320
and have that person come into

02:07:36.320 --> 02:07:38.320
your home and cut the lawn for you?

02:07:38.320 --> 02:07:40.320
What's the right answer?

02:07:40.320 --> 02:07:42.320
I'll tell you more.

02:07:42.320 --> 02:07:44.320
It is a Saturday afternoon.

02:07:44.320 --> 02:07:46.320
It is nice and sunny.

02:07:46.320 --> 02:07:48.320
You are home

02:07:48.320 --> 02:07:50.320
drinking chai.

02:07:50.320 --> 02:07:52.320
You have nothing else to do.

02:07:52.320 --> 02:07:54.320
And

02:07:54.320 --> 02:07:56.320
you see the grass and your

02:07:56.320 --> 02:07:58.320
wife is complaining,

02:07:58.320 --> 02:08:00.320
so what should you do?

02:08:00.320 --> 02:08:02.320
Like invite the neighbor,

02:08:02.320 --> 02:08:04.320
give him $20 and have him cut

02:08:04.320 --> 02:08:06.320
or you should cut it yourself.

02:08:06.320 --> 02:08:08.320
That's one scenario.

02:08:08.320 --> 02:08:10.320
The other scenario

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is it is Monday morning.

02:08:12.320 --> 02:08:14.320
That's it.

02:08:14.320 --> 02:08:16.320
That's the only difference.

02:08:16.320 --> 02:08:18.320
So Monday morning you are supposed to be going to surgery

02:08:18.320 --> 02:08:20.320
and on Saturday

02:08:20.320 --> 02:08:22.320
afternoon you are sitting home

02:08:22.320 --> 02:08:24.320
and doing nothing.

02:08:24.320 --> 02:08:26.320
The grass is grown and you want to cut it.

02:08:26.320 --> 02:08:28.320
There is a neighbor available.

02:08:28.320 --> 02:08:30.320
What's the right answer?

02:08:30.320 --> 02:08:32.320
What would you do on Saturday?

02:08:32.320 --> 02:08:34.320
What would you do on Monday?

02:08:34.320 --> 02:08:36.320
And why?

02:08:36.320 --> 02:08:38.320
On Saturday

02:08:38.320 --> 02:08:40.320
I will cut myself

02:08:40.320 --> 02:08:42.320
and on Monday I am doing something important

02:08:42.320 --> 02:08:44.320
so I will delegate it.

02:08:44.320 --> 02:08:46.320
Why would you cut it yourself?

02:08:46.320 --> 02:08:48.320
You are a surgeon, you make $500,000

02:08:48.320 --> 02:08:50.320
a year

02:08:50.320 --> 02:08:52.320
and you want to cut grass?

02:08:52.320 --> 02:08:54.320
Is that what you should be doing?

02:08:54.320 --> 02:08:56.320
Is that your core competence?

02:08:56.320 --> 02:08:58.320
No.

02:08:58.320 --> 02:09:00.320
Yeah.

02:09:00.320 --> 02:09:02.320
What?

02:09:02.320 --> 02:09:04.320
Is it your core competence to cut grass?

02:09:04.320 --> 02:09:06.320
No, no.

02:09:06.320 --> 02:09:08.320
But should you cut the grass on a Saturday?

02:09:08.320 --> 02:09:10.320
Yeah.

02:09:10.320 --> 02:09:12.320
Yes, you should.

02:09:12.320 --> 02:09:14.320
Why?

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Because the opportunity cost of your time

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you are doing nothing

02:09:18.320 --> 02:09:20.320
and you will save $20 by not giving it to the other guy

02:09:20.320 --> 02:09:22.320
you are physically capable, you can cut the lawn yourself.

02:09:22.320 --> 02:09:24.320
On a Monday

02:09:24.320 --> 02:09:26.320
you should be outsourcing.

02:09:26.320 --> 02:09:28.320
You should be

02:09:28.320 --> 02:09:30.320
focusing on the surgery operation

02:09:30.320 --> 02:09:32.320
that you are supposed to be doing at the hospital

02:09:32.320 --> 02:09:34.320
and not cutting grass.

02:09:34.320 --> 02:09:36.320
Outsource it on a Monday

02:09:36.320 --> 02:09:38.320
do it yourself on a Saturday, Sunday.

02:09:38.320 --> 02:09:40.320
So that's how you

02:09:40.320 --> 02:09:42.320
operate, that's how you think about

02:09:42.320 --> 02:09:44.320
assigning tasks to other people.

02:09:44.320 --> 02:09:46.320
So what I am telling you in terms of

02:09:46.320 --> 02:09:48.320
assigning things that you do versus

02:09:48.320 --> 02:09:50.320
assigning things that other people do for you

02:09:50.320 --> 02:09:52.320
you can do that in India.

02:09:52.320 --> 02:09:54.320
In fact there are

02:09:54.320 --> 02:09:56.320
people in India I know that outsource

02:09:56.320 --> 02:09:58.320
it to even poorer countries.

02:09:58.320 --> 02:10:00.320
I am not joking.

02:10:00.320 --> 02:10:02.320
There are things like that happen even

02:10:02.320 --> 02:10:04.320
in India where India outsources to

02:10:04.320 --> 02:10:06.320
Vietnam. I have seen it.

02:10:06.320 --> 02:10:08.320
The point

02:10:08.320 --> 02:10:10.320
I am trying to communicate to you

02:10:10.320 --> 02:10:12.320
is to find a thing that

02:10:12.320 --> 02:10:14.320
somebody will get happy about.

02:10:14.320 --> 02:10:16.320
Somebody else.

02:10:16.320 --> 02:10:18.320
Your customer. Find

02:10:18.320 --> 02:10:20.320
that one customer. I am not even talking about

02:10:20.320 --> 02:10:22.320
a customer market segment and all that

02:10:22.320 --> 02:10:24.320
big thing like people talk about.

02:10:24.320 --> 02:10:26.320
Make a market analysis and what is your target audience.

02:10:26.320 --> 02:10:28.320
All that bullshit. No. Just one.

02:10:28.320 --> 02:10:30.320
One person you make them

02:10:30.320 --> 02:10:32.320
successful and that begins

02:10:32.320 --> 02:10:34.320
the story

02:10:34.320 --> 02:10:36.320
of them telling the other people.

02:10:36.320 --> 02:10:38.320
And they will bring new customers.

02:10:38.320 --> 02:10:40.320
And then you find out what you are supposed to

02:10:40.320 --> 02:10:42.320
be doing, what you should be doing, what you are good

02:10:42.320 --> 02:10:44.320
at and what you don't like. You outsource

02:10:44.320 --> 02:10:46.320
some of it slowly over time.

02:10:46.320 --> 02:10:48.320
Don't rush into outsourcing.

02:10:48.320 --> 02:10:50.320
But do what you like and sometimes you have to

02:10:50.320 --> 02:10:52.320
do things that you don't like because what the goal

02:10:52.320 --> 02:10:54.320
is to make them successful. That one person.

02:10:54.320 --> 02:10:56.320
That's what

02:10:56.320 --> 02:10:58.320
you should be focusing on if you are finding

02:10:58.320 --> 02:11:00.320
that you are not landing jobs

02:11:00.320 --> 02:11:02.320
after jobs after jobs after

02:11:02.320 --> 02:11:04.320
tons of interviews and still don't get a job.

02:11:04.320 --> 02:11:06.320
Maybe you should go on Upwork

02:11:06.320 --> 02:11:08.320
or other places

02:11:08.320 --> 02:11:10.320
where you can find a task.

02:11:10.320 --> 02:11:12.320
Take the task. Do it. Get paid.

02:11:12.320 --> 02:11:14.320
Repeat. Take the task.

02:11:14.320 --> 02:11:16.320
Get paid. Take the task. Do it.

02:11:16.320 --> 02:11:18.320
Get paid. All the time people do that.

02:11:18.320 --> 02:11:20.320
There are people who make

02:11:20.320 --> 02:11:22.320
5 million dollars on Upwork.

02:11:22.320 --> 02:11:24.320
I know some of them.

02:11:24.320 --> 02:11:26.320
They work

02:11:26.320 --> 02:11:28.320
for other people.

02:11:28.320 --> 02:11:30.320
On Upwork.com

02:11:30.320 --> 02:11:32.320
I don't know if you hear that but

02:11:32.320 --> 02:11:34.320
if you know

02:11:34.320 --> 02:11:36.320
the word Upwork or not I don't know.

02:11:36.320 --> 02:11:38.320
Maybe it is not.

02:11:38.320 --> 02:11:40.320
There is nothing wrong with

02:11:40.320 --> 02:11:42.320
Upwork. It's heavy competition there by the way

02:11:42.320 --> 02:11:44.320
so you have to really identify what you can do

02:11:44.320 --> 02:11:46.320
and you begin small and you will grow.

02:11:46.320 --> 02:11:48.320
It's a slow and painful process.

02:11:50.320 --> 02:11:52.320
But better than knocking your head

02:11:52.320 --> 02:11:54.320
around hundreds of hundreds of companies and not getting

02:11:54.320 --> 02:11:56.320
anything you want.

02:11:56.320 --> 02:11:58.320
Even if you get a job you still have to go

02:11:58.320 --> 02:12:00.320
8 hours every day

02:12:00.320 --> 02:12:02.320
and slog and drive in

02:12:02.320 --> 02:12:04.320
traffic for 5 hours in

02:12:04.320 --> 02:12:06.320
Bangalore I hear. It's heavy

02:12:06.320 --> 02:12:08.320
these days apparently.

02:12:08.320 --> 02:12:10.320
You have to drive 3 hours in one

02:12:10.320 --> 02:12:12.320
direction and come another 3 hours

02:12:12.320 --> 02:12:14.320
in another direction. Ouch.

02:12:16.320 --> 02:12:18.320
Whereas in case of Upwork

02:12:18.320 --> 02:12:20.320
you work from home.

02:12:20.320 --> 02:12:22.320
That's a remote work right there.

02:12:22.320 --> 02:12:24.320
You don't have to go anywhere like I do.

02:12:24.320 --> 02:12:26.320
I don't go anywhere. I sit home.

02:12:26.320 --> 02:12:28.320
Like right here. That is my office.

02:12:28.320 --> 02:12:30.320
Yes.

02:12:30.320 --> 02:12:32.320
I don't go out anywhere at all

02:12:32.320 --> 02:12:34.320
unless I want to.

02:12:34.320 --> 02:12:36.320
I haven't

02:12:36.320 --> 02:12:38.320
worn a proper pant

02:12:38.320 --> 02:12:40.320
suit for 14 years.

02:12:40.320 --> 02:12:42.320
I am still right now even in right now

02:12:42.320 --> 02:12:44.320
I am in a pajama.

02:12:44.320 --> 02:12:46.320
I run my formal sessions in a pajama

02:12:46.320 --> 02:12:48.320
because nobody sees the pajama.

02:12:48.320 --> 02:12:50.320
They see only my face on the camera.

02:12:50.320 --> 02:12:52.320
They have seen me.

02:12:56.320 --> 02:12:58.320
I hope that answers your question.

02:12:58.320 --> 02:13:00.320
We'll go with the next one.

02:13:00.320 --> 02:13:02.320
One more.

02:13:02.320 --> 02:13:04.320
Just a little add on.

02:13:04.320 --> 02:13:06.320
Does this

02:13:06.320 --> 02:13:08.320
integration

02:13:08.320 --> 02:13:10.320
fits well or not? Tell me that

02:13:10.320 --> 02:13:12.320
in this age, means in this scenario

02:13:12.320 --> 02:13:14.320
it will be hard

02:13:14.320 --> 02:13:16.320
to make money or not?

02:13:16.320 --> 02:13:18.320
I missed.

02:13:18.320 --> 02:13:20.320
I'm so sorry.

02:13:20.320 --> 02:13:22.320
Missed. Please speak again.

02:13:22.320 --> 02:13:24.320
The scenario where India

02:13:24.320 --> 02:13:26.320
is in.

02:13:26.320 --> 02:13:28.320
Is it will be

02:13:28.320 --> 02:13:30.320
making money will be hard?

02:13:30.320 --> 02:13:32.320
So making money is hard

02:13:32.320 --> 02:13:34.320
not just in India but everywhere.

02:13:34.320 --> 02:13:36.320
Everywhere it is a challenge.

02:13:36.320 --> 02:13:38.320
It is a struggle for even people in this

02:13:38.320 --> 02:13:40.320
country.

02:13:40.320 --> 02:13:42.320
So sorry. Say again.

02:13:42.320 --> 02:13:44.320
Nothing for

02:13:44.320 --> 02:13:46.320
me.

02:13:46.320 --> 02:13:48.320
Because we are

02:13:48.320 --> 02:13:50.320
the most working population

02:13:50.320 --> 02:13:52.320
it doesn't matter

02:13:52.320 --> 02:13:54.320
for making money.

02:13:56.320 --> 02:13:58.320
No, I didn't understand.

02:13:58.320 --> 02:14:00.320
I didn't understand.

02:14:00.320 --> 02:14:02.320
Now there are

02:14:02.320 --> 02:14:04.320
many working populations

02:14:04.320 --> 02:14:06.320
so is it

02:14:06.320 --> 02:14:08.320
easy to make money

02:14:08.320 --> 02:14:10.320
or is it hard?

02:14:10.320 --> 02:14:12.320
It is very difficult.

02:14:12.320 --> 02:14:14.320
Whether the population is less or more

02:14:14.320 --> 02:14:16.320
making money is very difficult because

02:14:16.320 --> 02:14:18.320
it shouldn't be our goal.

02:14:18.320 --> 02:14:20.320
I told you. Making money is not

02:14:20.320 --> 02:14:22.320
the goal. It is not a goal

02:14:22.320 --> 02:14:24.320
at all. It's a by-product.

02:14:24.320 --> 02:14:26.320
Your goal has to be clear.

02:14:26.320 --> 02:14:28.320
It's to help other people succeed.

02:14:28.320 --> 02:14:30.320
That's

02:14:30.320 --> 02:14:32.320
the end of story.

02:14:34.320 --> 02:14:36.320
Money is a by-product. It will come.

02:14:36.320 --> 02:14:42.320
It will come slowly but definitely.

02:14:46.320 --> 02:14:48.320
Thank you, Nilesh.

02:14:48.320 --> 02:14:50.320
Thanks, Nikul

02:14:50.320 --> 02:14:52.320
for having your time being with us.

02:14:52.320 --> 02:14:54.320
Do you like that idea, Nilesh?

02:14:54.320 --> 02:14:56.320
By the way

02:14:56.320 --> 02:14:58.320
I also rephrased one of your lines.

02:14:58.320 --> 02:15:00.320
You only need to be right

02:15:00.320 --> 02:15:02.320
once.

02:15:02.320 --> 02:15:04.320
You can just expand and try

02:15:04.320 --> 02:15:06.320
everything and you need to be right once.

02:15:06.320 --> 02:15:08.320
Fail hundreds

02:15:08.320 --> 02:15:10.320
of times. Hundreds of thousands of times

02:15:10.320 --> 02:15:12.320
you fail. That's

02:15:12.320 --> 02:15:14.320
what leads to success.

02:15:14.320 --> 02:15:16.320
Eventually. You have to fail.

02:15:16.320 --> 02:15:18.320
You have to be happy with failures.

02:15:18.320 --> 02:15:20.320
I failed. You may have

02:15:20.320 --> 02:15:22.320
seen when I run live sessions every week

02:15:22.320 --> 02:15:24.320
I fail in a live session

02:15:24.320 --> 02:15:26.320
even today. Yesterday there was one.

02:15:26.320 --> 02:15:28.320
I failed. It's okay.

02:15:28.320 --> 02:15:30.320
Everybody does. What's the problem?

02:15:30.320 --> 02:15:32.320
I don't even polish

02:15:32.320 --> 02:15:34.320
my talk, my presentations.

02:15:34.320 --> 02:15:36.320
I don't use PowerPoint when I talk.

02:15:36.320 --> 02:15:38.320
It's all live

02:15:38.320 --> 02:15:40.320
and all real. And I fail

02:15:40.320 --> 02:15:42.320
all the time. And I cheat

02:15:42.320 --> 02:15:44.320
left and right by doing Google searches,

02:15:44.320 --> 02:15:46.320
chat, GPT, this, that, copy paste.

02:15:46.320 --> 02:15:48.320
Everything is okay. That's how

02:15:48.320 --> 02:15:50.320
real life is.

02:15:50.320 --> 02:15:52.320
That's how you code by copy pasting

02:15:52.320 --> 02:15:54.320
from Stack Overflow. Don't you?

02:15:54.320 --> 02:15:56.320
Everybody does that.

02:15:56.320 --> 02:15:58.320
I also do the same thing. People

02:15:58.320 --> 02:16:04.320
don't admit. I openly say it.

02:16:04.320 --> 02:16:06.320
I mean, that's how you learn.

02:16:06.320 --> 02:16:08.320
And that's how you get your job as well.

02:16:08.320 --> 02:16:12.320
Yeah.

02:16:12.320 --> 02:16:14.320
Yeah. Also, one more thing.

02:16:14.320 --> 02:16:16.320
There are a few speakers that have been here

02:16:16.320 --> 02:16:18.320
around for a while. But they haven't

02:16:18.320 --> 02:16:20.320
raised their hand or spoken anything

02:16:20.320 --> 02:16:22.320
else. So Pratish,

02:16:22.320 --> 02:16:24.320
you want to

02:16:24.320 --> 02:16:26.320
ask? Because you've been a speaker

02:16:26.320 --> 02:16:28.320
and you haven't said anything.

02:16:28.320 --> 02:16:30.320
You want to ask something?

02:16:30.320 --> 02:16:32.320
Yeah.

02:16:32.320 --> 02:16:34.320
First of all, hi, Nilesh.

02:16:34.320 --> 02:16:36.320
Yeah.

02:16:36.320 --> 02:16:38.320
And

02:16:38.320 --> 02:16:40.320
thanks a lot for this amazing

02:16:40.320 --> 02:16:42.320
session.

02:16:42.320 --> 02:16:44.320
Okay.

02:16:44.320 --> 02:16:46.320
So I think most of the questions are done.

02:16:46.320 --> 02:16:48.320
But I think I'll just take the opportunity to

02:16:48.320 --> 02:16:50.320
ask my personal questions.

02:16:50.320 --> 02:16:52.320
So Nilesh, you remember that you

02:16:52.320 --> 02:16:54.320
pinged me your YouTube video and

02:16:54.320 --> 02:16:56.320
we discussed on that.

02:16:56.320 --> 02:16:58.320
I think I still have that tweet with

02:16:58.320 --> 02:17:00.320
me.

02:17:00.320 --> 02:17:02.320
So to give some context,

02:17:02.320 --> 02:17:04.320
the video was regarding some investment

02:17:04.320 --> 02:17:06.320
planning. So I have two questions

02:17:06.320 --> 02:17:08.320
on it. First is

02:17:08.320 --> 02:17:10.320
the

02:17:10.320 --> 02:17:12.320
ensemble

02:17:12.320 --> 02:17:14.320
So you listen for everybody. You need

02:17:14.320 --> 02:17:16.320
to explain the background a little bit before

02:17:16.320 --> 02:17:18.320
you ask your question.

02:17:18.320 --> 02:17:20.320
So I think

02:17:20.320 --> 02:17:22.320
I'll just pin the tweet there.

02:17:22.320 --> 02:17:24.320
Give me some one minute or so.

02:17:24.320 --> 02:17:26.320
Go ahead.

02:17:26.320 --> 02:17:28.320
Provide everybody the background and then ask your questions

02:17:28.320 --> 02:17:30.320
so others will understand. Otherwise, we'll talk about

02:17:30.320 --> 02:17:32.320
nerdiness and nobody understand anything.

02:17:32.320 --> 02:17:34.320
I don't want that to happen.

02:17:36.320 --> 02:17:38.320
So take your time.

02:17:38.320 --> 02:17:40.320
No rush.

02:17:40.320 --> 02:17:42.320
In the meanwhile, other people are open.

02:17:42.320 --> 02:17:44.320
You can ask away.

02:17:44.320 --> 02:17:46.320
Just talk whatever you feel like.

02:17:46.320 --> 02:17:48.320
Or don't.

02:17:48.320 --> 02:17:50.320
It's up to you.

02:17:50.320 --> 02:17:52.320
Don't say, can I ask? Just ask.

02:17:52.320 --> 02:17:54.320
So until

02:17:54.320 --> 02:17:56.320
your age means

02:17:56.320 --> 02:17:58.320
until like

02:17:58.320 --> 02:18:00.320
before my birth, everybody's dream was

02:18:00.320 --> 02:18:02.320
to be an artist.

02:18:02.320 --> 02:18:04.320
So I think

02:18:04.320 --> 02:18:06.320
I'll just take the opportunity

02:18:06.320 --> 02:18:08.320
to ask my personal questions.

02:18:08.320 --> 02:18:10.320
Before my birth, everybody's dream was

02:18:10.320 --> 02:18:12.320
to serve something to US.

02:18:12.320 --> 02:18:14.320
Like making in

02:18:14.320 --> 02:18:16.320
dollars and you will get

02:18:16.320 --> 02:18:18.320
rich was the main

02:18:18.320 --> 02:18:20.320
thing. So do you think hence

02:18:20.320 --> 02:18:22.320
forth also the same thing will happen

02:18:22.320 --> 02:18:24.320
or it will change?

02:18:24.320 --> 02:18:26.320
Chasing US

02:18:26.320 --> 02:18:28.320
for people from India and

02:18:28.320 --> 02:18:30.320
China is a very

02:18:30.320 --> 02:18:32.320
very hard thing

02:18:32.320 --> 02:18:34.320
practically because of visa.

02:18:34.320 --> 02:18:36.320
Really hard.

02:18:36.320 --> 02:18:38.320
Like really, really painfully hard.

02:18:38.320 --> 02:18:40.320
I just want you to know that.

02:18:40.320 --> 02:18:42.320
Don't chase

02:18:42.320 --> 02:18:44.320
hard things for no good reason.

02:18:44.320 --> 02:18:46.320
You know it is difficult

02:18:46.320 --> 02:18:48.320
to get a visa even if you get a job.

02:18:48.320 --> 02:18:50.320
It will take a long time just to process it.

02:18:50.320 --> 02:18:52.320
That's one thing.

02:18:52.320 --> 02:18:54.320
The second thing is there are other

02:18:54.320 --> 02:18:56.320
countries right next door, Canada.

02:18:56.320 --> 02:18:58.320
People are easily accepted

02:18:58.320 --> 02:19:00.320
in there. You can go and work there. It's good enough.

02:19:00.320 --> 02:19:02.320
Pretty darn good. Canada is

02:19:02.320 --> 02:19:04.320
beautiful.

02:19:04.320 --> 02:19:06.320
It doesn't hurt. Not in terms of

02:19:06.320 --> 02:19:08.320
being there but in terms of

02:19:08.320 --> 02:19:10.320
giving services.

02:19:10.320 --> 02:19:12.320
We have the most population so we will serve.

02:19:12.320 --> 02:19:14.320
If you want to serve, you can serve sitting

02:19:14.320 --> 02:19:16.320
in India. You can serve anybody.

02:19:16.320 --> 02:19:18.320
The internet is available. You can talk to anybody

02:19:18.320 --> 02:19:20.320
anywhere on the planet.

02:19:20.320 --> 02:19:22.320
And do whatever you

02:19:22.320 --> 02:19:24.320
want using all the tools and

02:19:24.320 --> 02:19:26.320
techniques available to you at your disposal.

02:19:26.320 --> 02:19:28.320
All the AI tools these days and

02:19:28.320 --> 02:19:30.320
the high bandwidth internet.

02:19:30.320 --> 02:19:32.320
You have computers available to you.

02:19:32.320 --> 02:19:34.320
You can do whatever you want without leaving

02:19:34.320 --> 02:19:36.320
your parents home. Just stay with

02:19:36.320 --> 02:19:38.320
your parents and work.

02:19:38.320 --> 02:19:40.320
You don't have to

02:19:40.320 --> 02:19:42.320
go anywhere. That's the point.

02:19:42.320 --> 02:19:44.320
You can still earn in dollars

02:19:44.320 --> 02:19:46.320
sitting right in India with your parents

02:19:46.320 --> 02:19:48.320
home.

02:19:48.320 --> 02:19:50.320
There are

02:19:50.320 --> 02:19:52.320
people I know. One of my

02:19:52.320 --> 02:19:54.320
best developers lives in Bhoj.

02:19:54.320 --> 02:19:56.320
You know Bhoj is like a rural place

02:19:56.320 --> 02:19:58.320
in Gujarat.

02:19:58.320 --> 02:20:00.320
Really,

02:20:00.320 --> 02:20:02.320
I've never been there but I know how

02:20:02.320 --> 02:20:04.320
backward that place is.

02:20:04.320 --> 02:20:06.320
It has internet connection, decent

02:20:06.320 --> 02:20:08.320
enough and he works from there.

02:20:08.320 --> 02:20:10.320
He lives there.

02:20:10.320 --> 02:20:12.320
Over the years he has hired people

02:20:12.320 --> 02:20:14.320
for himself to work for me.

02:20:14.320 --> 02:20:16.320
So he has a team now

02:20:16.320 --> 02:20:18.320
helping me and he lives in Bhoj.

02:20:18.320 --> 02:20:20.320
His team lives in Surat.

02:20:20.320 --> 02:20:22.320
In a big city.

02:20:22.320 --> 02:20:24.320
Bhoj is a small town.

02:20:24.320 --> 02:20:26.320
And he lives with his parents.

02:20:26.320 --> 02:20:28.320
He got married recently.

02:20:28.320 --> 02:20:30.320
He's a beautiful, awesome, brilliant

02:20:30.320 --> 02:20:32.320
developer and he doesn't care

02:20:32.320 --> 02:20:34.320
to go anywhere.

02:20:34.320 --> 02:20:36.320
He works from home.

02:20:36.320 --> 02:20:38.320
And he works on Upwork

02:20:38.320 --> 02:20:40.320
for me for 14 years.

02:20:42.320 --> 02:20:44.320
And he

02:20:44.320 --> 02:20:46.320
not only works for me, he now has a team

02:20:46.320 --> 02:20:48.320
working for me through him.

02:20:48.320 --> 02:20:50.320
He formed a big team of people.

02:20:54.320 --> 02:20:56.320
Question Shreya

02:20:56.320 --> 02:20:58.320
and Pratyusha.

02:20:58.320 --> 02:21:00.320
Just open your mic and speak.

02:21:02.320 --> 02:21:04.320
Hello, Niklesh.

02:21:04.320 --> 02:21:06.320
Hi.

02:21:06.320 --> 02:21:08.320
Okay, so I just want to

02:21:08.320 --> 02:21:10.320
tell something and then

02:21:10.320 --> 02:21:12.320
I just want your opinion.

02:21:12.320 --> 02:21:14.320
It's not a question actually.

02:21:14.320 --> 02:21:16.320
So I've been failing a lot

02:21:16.320 --> 02:21:18.320
since a lot of years.

02:21:18.320 --> 02:21:20.320
And I can explain.

02:21:20.320 --> 02:21:22.320
I prepared for

02:21:22.320 --> 02:21:24.320
medical entrance exam and I failed

02:21:24.320 --> 02:21:26.320
because I couldn't

02:21:26.320 --> 02:21:28.320
perform the way I should have.

02:21:28.320 --> 02:21:30.320
And then I prepared

02:21:30.320 --> 02:21:32.320
I wanted to go

02:21:32.320 --> 02:21:34.320
to Delhi and I got the form.

02:21:34.320 --> 02:21:36.320
But then I didn't because my

02:21:36.320 --> 02:21:38.320
parents didn't want me to go to Delhi

02:21:38.320 --> 02:21:40.320
because of the environment and all.

02:21:40.320 --> 02:21:42.320
Then there was

02:21:42.320 --> 02:21:44.320
again a failure because I wanted to and I didn't.

02:21:44.320 --> 02:21:46.320
I couldn't.

02:21:46.320 --> 02:21:48.320
Then I got, after the degree, actually

02:21:48.320 --> 02:21:50.320
I started preparing for government jobs.

02:21:50.320 --> 02:21:52.320
Actually UPSC.

02:21:52.320 --> 02:21:54.320
Last year I started.

02:21:54.320 --> 02:21:56.320
And for a year I have learned a lot of things.

02:21:56.320 --> 02:21:58.320
Loved the content.

02:21:58.320 --> 02:22:00.320
All the subjects I have

02:22:00.320 --> 02:22:02.320
enjoyed thoroughly. But when you talk about

02:22:02.320 --> 02:22:04.320
writing answers and stuff, you still

02:22:04.320 --> 02:22:06.320
have to do a lot of rote learning.

02:22:06.320 --> 02:22:08.320
And that is something I'm not at all good at.

02:22:08.320 --> 02:22:10.320
So I

02:22:10.320 --> 02:22:12.320
okay, I watched some videos and stuff

02:22:12.320 --> 02:22:14.320
so I got to know that you can get into tech

02:22:14.320 --> 02:22:16.320
even if you don't have a degree because skills

02:22:16.320 --> 02:22:18.320
matter.

02:22:18.320 --> 02:22:20.320
So now I'm thinking, actually not thinking, even

02:22:20.320 --> 02:22:22.320
I pivoted in March

02:22:22.320 --> 02:22:24.320
and I'm jumping into tech.

02:22:24.320 --> 02:22:26.320
So I just want to know that

02:22:26.320 --> 02:22:28.320
even if I'm thinking

02:22:28.320 --> 02:22:30.320
I'm even thinking right.

02:22:32.320 --> 02:22:34.320
So I think to really

02:22:34.320 --> 02:22:36.320
jump into something that is tech

02:22:36.320 --> 02:22:38.320
I answered a question a while ago.

02:22:38.320 --> 02:22:40.320
Somebody asked me this. So I look up

02:22:40.320 --> 02:22:42.320
the tweet after this discussion.

02:22:42.320 --> 02:22:44.320
But there is a tweet in which I describe

02:22:44.320 --> 02:22:46.320
what's the beginning point of

02:22:46.320 --> 02:22:48.320
beginning

02:22:48.320 --> 02:22:50.320
a career in tech. And let me tell you

02:22:50.320 --> 02:22:52.320
it doesn't involve

02:22:52.320 --> 02:22:54.320
JavaScript or any coding language.

02:22:54.320 --> 02:22:56.320
Let me tell you what it involves.

02:22:56.320 --> 02:22:58.320
I wrote it down so

02:22:58.320 --> 02:23:00.320
I'll pull up the tweet. But here it is.

02:23:00.320 --> 02:23:02.320
The zero number

02:23:02.320 --> 02:23:04.320
thing, number zero, item number zero

02:23:04.320 --> 02:23:06.320
is to learn to listen.

02:23:06.320 --> 02:23:08.320
Listen to other people, to what

02:23:08.320 --> 02:23:10.320
they are trying to do. That's

02:23:10.320 --> 02:23:12.320
the biggest thing you need to do.

02:23:12.320 --> 02:23:14.320
And that is about technology.

02:23:14.320 --> 02:23:16.320
Yes, I'm talking about tech.

02:23:16.320 --> 02:23:18.320
The biggest thing to do in

02:23:18.320 --> 02:23:20.320
tech is listen.

02:23:20.320 --> 02:23:22.320
Understand. See what they want.

02:23:22.320 --> 02:23:24.320
See how we can help them.

02:23:24.320 --> 02:23:26.320
That's the biggest.

02:23:26.320 --> 02:23:28.320
The next thing to do is to learn

02:23:28.320 --> 02:23:30.320
to read

02:23:30.320 --> 02:23:32.320
and learn to write

02:23:32.320 --> 02:23:34.320
in a short, concise

02:23:34.320 --> 02:23:36.320
manner. Like a tweet.

02:23:36.320 --> 02:23:38.320
Or maybe a paragraph.

02:23:38.320 --> 02:23:40.320
Or maybe a tweet thread.

02:23:40.320 --> 02:23:42.320
But that's it. Not long.

02:23:42.320 --> 02:23:44.320
Short. Succinct.

02:23:44.320 --> 02:23:46.320
To the point.

02:23:46.320 --> 02:23:48.320
Write so others can understand.

02:23:48.320 --> 02:23:50.320
Write

02:23:50.320 --> 02:23:52.320
so a five-year-old can understand.

02:23:52.320 --> 02:23:54.320
Speak

02:23:54.320 --> 02:23:56.320
so a five-year-old can understand.

02:23:56.320 --> 02:23:58.320
That is how

02:23:58.320 --> 02:24:00.320
you begin the next thing.

02:24:00.320 --> 02:24:02.320
Reading and writing.

02:24:02.320 --> 02:24:04.320
The next thing after

02:24:04.320 --> 02:24:06.320
that, and again I'm talking about

02:24:06.320 --> 02:24:08.320
technology, remember? It is about

02:24:08.320 --> 02:24:10.320
technology I'm talking about.

02:24:10.320 --> 02:24:12.320
I told you number zero, listen.

02:24:12.320 --> 02:24:14.320
Number two,

02:24:14.320 --> 02:24:16.320
number one, read and write.

02:24:16.320 --> 02:24:18.320
Number three,

02:24:18.320 --> 02:24:20.320
understand mathematics.

02:24:20.320 --> 02:24:22.320
High school level.

02:24:22.320 --> 02:24:24.320
Grade 12.

02:24:24.320 --> 02:24:26.320
Calculus. Do that

02:24:26.320 --> 02:24:28.320
properly.

02:24:28.320 --> 02:24:30.320
Next one,

02:24:30.320 --> 02:24:32.320
understand and study

02:24:32.320 --> 02:24:34.320
statistics. High school level.

02:24:34.320 --> 02:24:36.320
12th grade. And do that

02:24:36.320 --> 02:24:38.320
really nicely.

02:24:38.320 --> 02:24:40.320
So I told you about physics

02:24:40.320 --> 02:24:42.320
also. And chemistry also.

02:24:42.320 --> 02:24:44.320
I like these things, that's why I mentioned it.

02:24:44.320 --> 02:24:46.320
But it is not strictly required.

02:24:46.320 --> 02:24:48.320
Physics and chemistry are

02:24:48.320 --> 02:24:50.320
something that I love, so I cannot skip that

02:24:50.320 --> 02:24:52.320
talking about it. But math

02:24:52.320 --> 02:24:54.320
and statistics are absolutely required

02:24:54.320 --> 02:24:56.320
to understand technology.

02:24:56.320 --> 02:24:58.320
If you don't do that,

02:24:58.320 --> 02:25:00.320
you will not succeed in writing JavaScript

02:25:00.320 --> 02:25:02.320
or whatever HTML, CSS, God

02:25:02.320 --> 02:25:04.320
knows what. Let me be honest,

02:25:04.320 --> 02:25:06.320
I don't know CSS.

02:25:06.320 --> 02:25:08.320
I have no idea how to center

02:25:08.320 --> 02:25:10.320
div. I don't want

02:25:10.320 --> 02:25:12.320
to, because I want to cheat

02:25:12.320 --> 02:25:14.320
and ask chat GPT how to do

02:25:14.320 --> 02:25:16.320
that. And that's the right way.

02:25:16.320 --> 02:25:18.320
Cheating is

02:25:18.320 --> 02:25:20.320
okay. That's how real life

02:25:20.320 --> 02:25:22.320
is. Copy paste.

02:25:22.320 --> 02:25:24.320
It's totally fine. If you don't have

02:25:24.320 --> 02:25:26.320
to learn every single thing, what

02:25:26.320 --> 02:25:28.320
you need to do is to figure out how

02:25:28.320 --> 02:25:30.320
do you solve that other person's problem?

02:25:30.320 --> 02:25:32.320
How do you make them successful?

02:25:32.320 --> 02:25:34.320
In that process, you may have to cheat

02:25:34.320 --> 02:25:36.320
and copy paste code from somewhere.

02:25:36.320 --> 02:25:38.320
Do it.

02:25:38.320 --> 02:25:40.320
But that's not what you remember or memorize

02:25:40.320 --> 02:25:42.320
and wrote or just

02:25:42.320 --> 02:25:44.320
no need to cheat.

02:25:44.320 --> 02:25:46.320
Absolutely no need to memorize or

02:25:46.320 --> 02:25:48.320
remember anything whatsoever, because

02:25:48.320 --> 02:25:50.320
the skill is not in memorizing,

02:25:50.320 --> 02:25:52.320
but the skill is

02:25:52.320 --> 02:25:54.320
to be able to find what you need when you

02:25:54.320 --> 02:25:56.320
need it quickly,

02:25:56.320 --> 02:25:58.320
efficiently.

02:25:58.320 --> 02:26:00.320
That's the skill.

02:26:00.320 --> 02:26:02.320
Where have I kept it?

02:26:02.320 --> 02:26:04.320
Or where will I find it? Searching.

02:26:04.320 --> 02:26:06.320
Google searching is a great

02:26:06.320 --> 02:26:08.320
skill. And these days, chat GPT

02:26:08.320 --> 02:26:10.320
prompt writing is also

02:26:10.320 --> 02:26:12.320
beautiful. Learn it.

02:26:12.320 --> 02:26:14.320
Learn to make use of these tools that are

02:26:14.320 --> 02:26:16.320
now available and even grow. They'll grow, by the way.

02:26:16.320 --> 02:26:18.320
These tools will grow. Learn to

02:26:18.320 --> 02:26:20.320
use them to apply to your situation.

02:26:20.320 --> 02:26:22.320
You don't have to code

02:26:22.320 --> 02:26:24.320
because prompt writing is not code writing.

02:26:24.320 --> 02:26:26.320
It's about

02:26:26.320 --> 02:26:28.320
communicating with the machine to

02:26:28.320 --> 02:26:30.320
accomplish the outcome you want.

02:26:30.320 --> 02:26:32.320
Whatever you want

02:26:32.320 --> 02:26:34.320
it to produce for you, you want

02:26:34.320 --> 02:26:36.320
to get that, you will use the machine to help

02:26:36.320 --> 02:26:38.320
you. Use it.

02:26:38.320 --> 02:26:40.320
Make use of it.

02:26:40.320 --> 02:26:42.320
That's the next thing. There are a couple other

02:26:42.320 --> 02:26:44.320
things that you want to keep doing,

02:26:44.320 --> 02:26:46.320
and that is to

02:26:46.320 --> 02:26:48.320
make notes of what you have done

02:26:48.320 --> 02:26:50.320
in terms of, I think, let me

02:26:50.320 --> 02:26:52.320
put up that tweet. I think Shreya,

02:26:52.320 --> 02:26:54.320
maybe you saw that tweet. Did you?

02:26:54.320 --> 02:26:56.320
Was it you that asked me

02:26:56.320 --> 02:26:58.320
about chemistry or not?

02:26:58.320 --> 02:27:00.320
I don't know. Somebody else.

02:27:00.320 --> 02:27:02.320
I don't remember.

02:27:02.320 --> 02:27:04.320
I have

02:27:04.320 --> 02:27:06.320
a thousand new followers, so I

02:27:06.320 --> 02:27:08.320
don't blame you. I blame myself.

02:27:08.320 --> 02:27:10.320
I don't know.

02:27:10.320 --> 02:27:12.320
Somebody did. I'll put up that tweet

02:27:12.320 --> 02:27:14.320
and tag it to you.

02:27:14.320 --> 02:27:16.320
You will see what I wrote about how

02:27:16.320 --> 02:27:18.320
to begin in tech. It has nothing to do with

02:27:18.320 --> 02:27:20.320
tech itself. It has absolutely

02:27:20.320 --> 02:27:22.320
nothing to do with tech.

02:27:22.320 --> 02:27:24.320
Actually,

02:27:24.320 --> 02:27:26.320
I am scared

02:27:26.320 --> 02:27:28.320
of rot learning. That's all.

02:27:28.320 --> 02:27:30.320
Implementation is fine. Learning new things

02:27:30.320 --> 02:27:32.320
is fine. But memorizing

02:27:32.320 --> 02:27:34.320
is not a skill you...

02:27:34.320 --> 02:27:36.320
Absolutely. You should actively forget

02:27:36.320 --> 02:27:38.320
things. I'm telling you to

02:27:38.320 --> 02:27:40.320
forget. You don't have to remember.

02:27:40.320 --> 02:27:42.320
I don't...

02:27:42.320 --> 02:27:44.320
I'm telling you to cheat.

02:27:44.320 --> 02:27:46.320
I'm telling you to copy paste.

02:27:46.320 --> 02:27:48.320
I'm telling you to openly use

02:27:48.320 --> 02:27:50.320
the internet and all the tools available to you

02:27:50.320 --> 02:27:52.320
to make things happen. Because

02:27:52.320 --> 02:27:54.320
your goal is to not memorizing

02:27:54.320 --> 02:27:56.320
and your goal is not rot learning, but

02:27:56.320 --> 02:27:58.320
to make other people

02:27:58.320 --> 02:28:00.320
successful. That is the goal.

02:28:00.320 --> 02:28:02.320
Don't forget that goal.

02:28:02.320 --> 02:28:04.320
In the process, do copy paste.

02:28:04.320 --> 02:28:06.320
Left and right.

02:28:06.320 --> 02:28:08.320
Whatever you need. It's totally normal.

02:28:08.320 --> 02:28:10.320
And natural.

02:28:12.320 --> 02:28:14.320
Thank you.

02:28:14.320 --> 02:28:16.320
Thank you so much.

02:28:16.320 --> 02:28:18.320
Yes, Prathish.

02:28:18.320 --> 02:28:20.320
Thank you, Shreya.

02:28:20.320 --> 02:28:22.320
Am I audible?

02:28:22.320 --> 02:28:24.320
Yes.

02:28:24.320 --> 02:28:26.320
Thanks a lot, Nailesh, for

02:28:26.320 --> 02:28:28.320
those amazing insights

02:28:28.320 --> 02:28:30.320
and present from the

02:28:30.320 --> 02:28:32.320
10 PM.

02:28:32.320 --> 02:28:34.320
My question

02:28:34.320 --> 02:28:36.320
is like you tell that

02:28:36.320 --> 02:28:38.320
after learning about

02:28:38.320 --> 02:28:40.320
the things, just apply it

02:28:40.320 --> 02:28:42.320
and fail.

02:28:42.320 --> 02:28:44.320
I'm just curious to know

02:28:44.320 --> 02:28:46.320
that at your

02:28:46.320 --> 02:28:48.320
journey, during your journey,

02:28:48.320 --> 02:28:50.320
what are the things you faced

02:28:50.320 --> 02:28:52.320
and you failed and you cope up

02:28:52.320 --> 02:28:54.320
then also do

02:28:54.320 --> 02:28:56.320
it.

02:28:56.320 --> 02:28:58.320
Prathish, I fail

02:28:58.320 --> 02:29:00.320
even today, hundreds

02:29:00.320 --> 02:29:02.320
of times every day.

02:29:02.320 --> 02:29:04.320
I fail even today.

02:29:04.320 --> 02:29:06.320
It is nothing new. It is very natural.

02:29:06.320 --> 02:29:08.320
And nothing

02:29:08.320 --> 02:29:10.320
to feel happy about

02:29:10.320 --> 02:29:12.320
it. But I don't even feel sad about

02:29:12.320 --> 02:29:14.320
it because it's a fact of life. Just deal with it.

02:29:14.320 --> 02:29:16.320
I fail all the time. It's okay.

02:29:16.320 --> 02:29:18.320
Just learn to live with it.

02:29:18.320 --> 02:29:20.320
That's how I think.

02:29:20.320 --> 02:29:22.320
There will be small failures.

02:29:22.320 --> 02:29:24.320
There will be big failures. And sometimes there will be

02:29:24.320 --> 02:29:26.320
victories. So they come.

02:29:26.320 --> 02:29:28.320
It's totally okay and totally

02:29:28.320 --> 02:29:30.320
acceptable.

02:29:30.320 --> 02:29:32.320
The key thing to learning with

02:29:32.320 --> 02:29:34.320
failure is to just

02:29:34.320 --> 02:29:36.320
digest the fact that it's okay to fail.

02:29:36.320 --> 02:29:38.320
That's the hardest part.

02:29:38.320 --> 02:29:40.320
People don't digest it.

02:29:40.320 --> 02:29:42.320
Right, Prathish?

02:29:42.320 --> 02:29:44.320
By the way,

02:29:44.320 --> 02:29:46.320
you need to make that dance video, man.

02:29:46.320 --> 02:29:48.320
You need to make that dance video for me.

02:29:48.320 --> 02:29:50.320
You seriously need to do that.

02:29:50.320 --> 02:29:52.320
Toka, toka, toka.

02:29:52.320 --> 02:29:54.320
Dance it. And send me the video

02:29:54.320 --> 02:29:56.320
please. Thank you.

02:29:56.320 --> 02:29:58.320
Okay, hi.

02:29:58.320 --> 02:30:00.320
Hi, Amit.

02:30:02.320 --> 02:30:04.320
Hello, sir. Actually, I'm in

02:30:04.320 --> 02:30:06.320
third time of MCA.

02:30:06.320 --> 02:30:08.320
And currently I'm learning DevOps

02:30:08.320 --> 02:30:10.320
and cloud computing kind of stuff.

02:30:10.320 --> 02:30:12.320
So my question is like,

02:30:12.320 --> 02:30:14.320
you know, after the

02:30:14.320 --> 02:30:16.320
chat GPT and bread and all those

02:30:16.320 --> 02:30:18.320
things, people are in panic

02:30:18.320 --> 02:30:20.320
as of now. So like they are saying like, you know,

02:30:20.320 --> 02:30:22.320
writing those best script is not

02:30:22.320 --> 02:30:24.320
going to help you.

02:30:24.320 --> 02:30:26.320
You have to learn machine learning

02:30:26.320 --> 02:30:28.320
and AI kind of thing. So like it's

02:30:28.320 --> 02:30:30.320
going to disrupt all the market. So

02:30:30.320 --> 02:30:32.320
if it is a destruction, so be

02:30:32.320 --> 02:30:34.320
the part of destruction. Don't learn these stupid

02:30:34.320 --> 02:30:36.320
things. So how do you see the future

02:30:36.320 --> 02:30:38.320
of cloud computing as of now?

02:30:38.320 --> 02:30:40.320
So you should learn bash.

02:30:40.320 --> 02:30:42.320
Don't miss

02:30:42.320 --> 02:30:44.320
it. It's a good thing to have. But

02:30:44.320 --> 02:30:46.320
don't memorize anything.

02:30:46.320 --> 02:30:48.320
Don't have to like, you know, forget

02:30:48.320 --> 02:30:50.320
it. So basically

02:30:50.320 --> 02:30:52.320
you want to learn something in bash scripting.

02:30:52.320 --> 02:30:54.320
What do you do? You Google search and

02:30:54.320 --> 02:30:56.320
you find some answer that might

02:30:56.320 --> 02:30:58.320
work. You try it out and it may not work.

02:30:58.320 --> 02:31:00.320
And then you find another answer

02:31:00.320 --> 02:31:02.320
and then you copy paste and then try it out

02:31:02.320 --> 02:31:04.320
and it doesn't work. And you do it a hundred times.

02:31:04.320 --> 02:31:06.320
You'll eventually find a solution. That's

02:31:06.320 --> 02:31:08.320
how you learn bash scripting.

02:31:08.320 --> 02:31:10.320
Or you can cheat and

02:31:10.320 --> 02:31:12.320
ask Bard or chat GPT

02:31:12.320 --> 02:31:14.320
what's the solution? And it might give you the answer.

02:31:14.320 --> 02:31:16.320
So use it. But

02:31:16.320 --> 02:31:18.320
not learning bash or not using bash

02:31:18.320 --> 02:31:20.320
at all is bad. It's going to be bad by the way.

02:31:20.320 --> 02:31:22.320
Even if you go machine learning and AI

02:31:22.320 --> 02:31:24.320
and all that. Because there you will find

02:31:24.320 --> 02:31:26.320
those machine learning scripts

02:31:26.320 --> 02:31:28.320
will actually use bash.

02:31:28.320 --> 02:31:30.320
So you cannot get away without

02:31:30.320 --> 02:31:32.320
it. You have to use bash. Or

02:31:32.320 --> 02:31:34.320
if not bash, zsh or some other

02:31:34.320 --> 02:31:36.320
shell. That shell is going to be there

02:31:36.320 --> 02:31:38.320
in your life. I live

02:31:38.320 --> 02:31:40.320
and die on the shell. I do

02:31:40.320 --> 02:31:42.320
that. That's my primary tool

02:31:42.320 --> 02:31:44.320
by the way. Just so you know.

02:31:44.320 --> 02:31:46.320
And so that's about the

02:31:46.320 --> 02:31:48.320
bash scripting in DevOps

02:31:48.320 --> 02:31:50.320
and cloud computing in the future.

02:31:50.320 --> 02:31:52.320
The way to think about machine learning and AI

02:31:52.320 --> 02:31:54.320
is what

02:31:54.320 --> 02:31:56.320
it actually does is

02:31:56.320 --> 02:31:58.320
let's give you some

02:31:58.320 --> 02:32:00.320
background here.

02:32:00.320 --> 02:32:02.320
Think about a trade off

02:32:02.320 --> 02:32:04.320
between

02:32:04.320 --> 02:32:06.320
speed and accuracy.

02:32:06.320 --> 02:32:08.320
Some people

02:32:08.320 --> 02:32:10.320
who try to do something very fast

02:32:10.320 --> 02:32:12.320
they might make a mistake. And they're

02:32:12.320 --> 02:32:14.320
not very accurate in producing the answer.

02:32:14.320 --> 02:32:16.320
And if you're taking

02:32:16.320 --> 02:32:18.320
enough time to do it slow and thoroughly

02:32:18.320 --> 02:32:20.320
you might produce a very good answer.

02:32:20.320 --> 02:32:22.320
An accurate answer.

02:32:22.320 --> 02:32:24.320
So that's the trade off between speed

02:32:24.320 --> 02:32:26.320
and accuracy. Take that to an exam.

02:32:26.320 --> 02:32:28.320
You have two hours. You

02:32:28.320 --> 02:32:30.320
do it fast. And you make mistakes.

02:32:30.320 --> 02:32:32.320
If you were given like eight hours

02:32:32.320 --> 02:32:34.320
you may not make less mistakes.

02:32:34.320 --> 02:32:36.320
If you are given access to an

02:32:36.320 --> 02:32:38.320
open computer and chat GPT

02:32:38.320 --> 02:32:40.320
and Bard and every other tool available

02:32:40.320 --> 02:32:42.320
to you and ask you to take the exam

02:32:42.320 --> 02:32:44.320
what will happen?

02:32:44.320 --> 02:32:46.320
You'll probably finish that eight hour exam sooner.

02:32:46.320 --> 02:32:48.320
What did the machines do for you?

02:32:48.320 --> 02:32:50.320
Improve your speed

02:32:50.320 --> 02:32:52.320
accuracy envelope.

02:32:52.320 --> 02:32:54.320
The trade off

02:32:54.320 --> 02:32:56.320
between speed and accuracy. When you increase one

02:32:56.320 --> 02:32:58.320
the other falls. You improve the

02:32:58.320 --> 02:33:00.320
speed. Accuracy falls.

02:33:00.320 --> 02:33:02.320
Try to increase the accuracy. Your time takes more.

02:33:02.320 --> 02:33:04.320
And what AI does

02:33:04.320 --> 02:33:06.320
is helps you improve

02:33:06.320 --> 02:33:08.320
the envelope.

02:33:08.320 --> 02:33:10.320
Pushes the envelope

02:33:10.320 --> 02:33:12.320
to a better scenario. You can

02:33:12.320 --> 02:33:14.320
make things faster

02:33:14.320 --> 02:33:16.320
and good

02:33:16.320 --> 02:33:18.320
together.

02:33:18.320 --> 02:33:20.320
That's what AI actually does.

02:33:20.320 --> 02:33:22.320
I was talking to a doctor the other

02:33:22.320 --> 02:33:24.320
day. They are from Palo Alto

02:33:24.320 --> 02:33:26.320
Clinic. And it is a team

02:33:26.320 --> 02:33:28.320
of five developers

02:33:28.320 --> 02:33:30.320
who have

02:33:30.320 --> 02:33:32.320
a bunch of machines in their home

02:33:32.320 --> 02:33:34.320
and a team of

02:33:34.320 --> 02:33:36.320
doctors who are mental

02:33:36.320 --> 02:33:38.320
psychiatrists. Mental doctors.

02:33:38.320 --> 02:33:40.320
Brain doctors. And what they have done

02:33:40.320 --> 02:33:42.320
is created a machine learning model

02:33:42.320 --> 02:33:44.320
to help the doctor

02:33:44.320 --> 02:33:46.320
analyze brain scans

02:33:46.320 --> 02:33:48.320
and produce a

02:33:48.320 --> 02:33:50.320
retail analysis report.

02:33:50.320 --> 02:33:52.320
And what Amit should do

02:33:52.320 --> 02:33:54.320
is mute because he is making noise.

02:33:54.320 --> 02:33:56.320
So please mute yourself Amit.

02:33:56.320 --> 02:33:58.320
And what the doctor

02:33:58.320 --> 02:34:00.320
does is if she is going to

02:34:00.320 --> 02:34:02.320
write a detailed report for a particular

02:34:02.320 --> 02:34:04.320
brain scan, it will take her

02:34:04.320 --> 02:34:06.320
eight to ten hours to write a thorough

02:34:06.320 --> 02:34:08.320
note about what that brain

02:34:08.320 --> 02:34:10.320
situation is and what the

02:34:10.320 --> 02:34:12.320
symptoms are and find out what

02:34:12.320 --> 02:34:14.320
things that they should be doing differently.

02:34:14.320 --> 02:34:16.320
And she will take eight hours and make a beautiful

02:34:16.320 --> 02:34:18.320
analysis and produce

02:34:18.320 --> 02:34:20.320
a report with action items for the patient to

02:34:20.320 --> 02:34:22.320
be able to do next.

02:34:22.320 --> 02:34:24.320
That's the human doctor.

02:34:24.320 --> 02:34:26.320
Now introduce machine learning

02:34:26.320 --> 02:34:28.320
and AI into the same game that what

02:34:28.320 --> 02:34:30.320
the doctor does.

02:34:30.320 --> 02:34:32.320
This machine technique,

02:34:32.320 --> 02:34:34.320
I think they have like $70,000

02:34:34.320 --> 02:34:36.320
worth of NVIDIA, Tesla, GPUs

02:34:36.320 --> 02:34:38.320
and some custom machine learning

02:34:38.320 --> 02:34:40.320
put together in Palo Alto

02:34:40.320 --> 02:34:42.320
clinic.ai. You can read up on that.

02:34:42.320 --> 02:34:44.320
And so what they have done is

02:34:44.320 --> 02:34:46.320
created a machine that helps

02:34:46.320 --> 02:34:48.320
the doctor produce the report

02:34:48.320 --> 02:34:50.320
that she will make by hand

02:34:50.320 --> 02:34:52.320
and takes eight hours. This machine

02:34:52.320 --> 02:34:54.320
does it in a few seconds.

02:34:54.320 --> 02:34:56.320
And of course the result that the machine

02:34:56.320 --> 02:34:58.320
produces is inferior.

02:34:58.320 --> 02:35:00.320
It's B level, B quality,

02:35:00.320 --> 02:35:02.320
not A grade, but B grade.

02:35:02.320 --> 02:35:04.320
But does that result in a few

02:35:04.320 --> 02:35:06.320
seconds as opposed to the doctor taking

02:35:06.320 --> 02:35:08.320
eight hours to produce an A grade

02:35:08.320 --> 02:35:10.320
report?

02:35:10.320 --> 02:35:12.320
So now what the doctor is doing or should be

02:35:12.320 --> 02:35:14.320
doing or would be doing is to use

02:35:14.320 --> 02:35:16.320
the machine's ability to

02:35:16.320 --> 02:35:18.320
increase the speed at which she

02:35:18.320 --> 02:35:20.320
works on herself,

02:35:20.320 --> 02:35:22.320
get help from the machines to produce the

02:35:22.320 --> 02:35:24.320
outcome that she wants. So she will get a

02:35:24.320 --> 02:35:26.320
B grade output. She will now read

02:35:26.320 --> 02:35:28.320
that output and improve

02:35:28.320 --> 02:35:30.320
to make it A grade

02:35:30.320 --> 02:35:32.320
and maybe spend one hour, one more hour

02:35:32.320 --> 02:35:34.320
instead of eight.

02:35:34.320 --> 02:35:36.320
She gets the result instantaneously like

02:35:36.320 --> 02:35:38.320
in a few seconds or maybe ten seconds.

02:35:38.320 --> 02:35:40.320
And she gets

02:35:40.320 --> 02:35:42.320
a B grade report. She can review that

02:35:42.320 --> 02:35:44.320
faster and polish it, clean

02:35:44.320 --> 02:35:46.320
it up nice, make it nicer

02:35:46.320 --> 02:35:48.320
and make it satisfactory to her and

02:35:48.320 --> 02:35:50.320
to her patients. And that's how

02:35:50.320 --> 02:35:52.320
you push the envelope. That's where machine learning

02:35:52.320 --> 02:35:54.320
actually comes into play.

02:35:54.320 --> 02:35:56.320
And by the way, it does involve

02:35:56.320 --> 02:35:58.320
batch scripting. It's not going to go

02:35:58.320 --> 02:36:00.320
away.

02:36:02.320 --> 02:36:04.320
Does that answer your question?

02:36:04.320 --> 02:36:06.320
So that's how you actually

02:36:06.320 --> 02:36:08.320
use AI. You don't use

02:36:08.320 --> 02:36:10.320
AI what people

02:36:10.320 --> 02:36:12.320
talk about or think about. So don't confuse

02:36:12.320 --> 02:36:14.320
yourself. AI is about helping people

02:36:14.320 --> 02:36:16.320
do the work faster

02:36:16.320 --> 02:36:18.320
to push the envelope

02:36:18.320 --> 02:36:20.320
between what is called

02:36:20.320 --> 02:36:22.320
accuracy and speed.

02:36:22.320 --> 02:36:24.320
There's a trade-off. Trade-off meaning

02:36:24.320 --> 02:36:26.320
jhagda in ka aapas mein.

02:36:26.320 --> 02:36:28.320
If you ek ko badao to dosra kab ho jata hai.

02:36:28.320 --> 02:36:30.320
Dosre ko badao to

02:36:30.320 --> 02:36:32.320
pehla kab ho jata hai. Speed badao to

02:36:32.320 --> 02:36:34.320
accuracy kharab ho jati hai.

02:36:34.320 --> 02:36:36.320
Accuracy badani kuchhish karo and time jata lagta hai.

02:36:36.320 --> 02:36:38.320
Insaan hai. Dheere

02:36:38.320 --> 02:36:40.320
kaam karta hai. Machine lao

02:36:40.320 --> 02:36:42.320
jaldi karega. But quality ganda karega

02:36:42.320 --> 02:36:44.320
thoda sa. Usko

02:36:44.320 --> 02:36:46.320
aadmi lagao aur improve karo.

02:36:46.320 --> 02:36:48.320
That's how you use the AI.

02:36:48.320 --> 02:36:50.320
AI is nothing but

02:36:50.320 --> 02:36:52.320
invention of the wheel.

02:36:52.320 --> 02:36:54.320
Chakka aavish karo.

02:36:54.320 --> 02:36:56.320
To ekdum gadiya fata fata chalna rige

02:36:56.320 --> 02:36:58.320
the invention of the wheel ho gaya.

02:36:58.320 --> 02:37:00.320
Invention of paracetam.

02:37:00.320 --> 02:37:02.320
Penicillin. Penicillin

02:37:02.320 --> 02:37:04.320
invention in 1900s.

02:37:04.320 --> 02:37:06.320
Invention of TCPIP.

02:37:06.320 --> 02:37:08.320
The internet.

02:37:08.320 --> 02:37:10.320
Invention of Bitcoin.

02:37:10.320 --> 02:37:12.320
If you think of it that way. I don't

02:37:12.320 --> 02:37:14.320
go too much into Bitcoin but we talk about

02:37:14.320 --> 02:37:16.320
that on a separate topic. In fact, we have a

02:37:16.320 --> 02:37:18.320
Bitcoin expert in this audience

02:37:18.320 --> 02:37:20.320
somewhere. Satoshi

02:37:20.320 --> 02:37:22.320
DJ. You're listening, I know.

02:37:22.320 --> 02:37:24.320
So

02:37:24.320 --> 02:37:26.320
the point is there are

02:37:26.320 --> 02:37:28.320
inflection points in the industry and

02:37:28.320 --> 02:37:30.320
this AI thing is not new.

02:37:30.320 --> 02:37:32.320
When I was in IIC Bangalore in

02:37:32.320 --> 02:37:34.320
1990, my project

02:37:34.320 --> 02:37:36.320
was actually a machine learning AI project.

02:37:36.320 --> 02:37:38.320
It was dumb

02:37:38.320 --> 02:37:40.320
and idiotic.

02:37:40.320 --> 02:37:42.320
But that's what it is.

02:37:42.320 --> 02:37:44.320
The state was different. That's

02:37:44.320 --> 02:37:46.320
how it was in those days.

02:37:46.320 --> 02:37:48.320
So AI is not new. What is actually

02:37:48.320 --> 02:37:50.320
new in the last few months

02:37:50.320 --> 02:37:52.320
is the user experience.

02:37:52.320 --> 02:37:54.320
It has much more improved than

02:37:54.320 --> 02:37:56.320
what it was before. Before

02:37:56.320 --> 02:37:58.320
people were using batch scripting

02:37:58.320 --> 02:38:00.320
to interface with AI.

02:38:00.320 --> 02:38:02.320
These days we have a browser interface

02:38:02.320 --> 02:38:04.320
so you can just ask a question, you get an answer.

02:38:04.320 --> 02:38:06.320
Chat GPT

02:38:06.320 --> 02:38:08.320
or Bard. There'll be more.

02:38:08.320 --> 02:38:10.320
There are others already.

02:38:10.320 --> 02:38:12.320
You type something and you get a picture

02:38:12.320 --> 02:38:14.320
created. You type something and you get a video created.

02:38:14.320 --> 02:38:16.320
I have requested

02:38:16.320 --> 02:38:18.320
a friend to create a video of me

02:38:18.320 --> 02:38:20.320
talking in my accent.

02:38:20.320 --> 02:38:22.320
And you will see it eventually.

02:38:22.320 --> 02:38:24.320
I'll post it on Twitter when it becomes

02:38:24.320 --> 02:38:26.320
ready. When Nilesh is talking

02:38:26.320 --> 02:38:28.320
in Nilesh's voice.

02:38:28.320 --> 02:38:30.320
And it is not

02:38:30.320 --> 02:38:32.320
Nilesh. You've seen it probably.

02:38:32.320 --> 02:38:34.320
Obama talking. He's not Obama.

02:38:34.320 --> 02:38:36.320
He's somebody else.

02:38:36.320 --> 02:38:38.320
Completely manipulated,

02:38:38.320 --> 02:38:40.320
automatically created through machine learning.

02:38:40.320 --> 02:38:42.320
And so you will

02:38:42.320 --> 02:38:44.320
one day you will see Nilesh talking in

02:38:44.320 --> 02:38:46.320
my accent, but it is not going to be

02:38:46.320 --> 02:38:48.320
me. And that might happen

02:38:48.320 --> 02:38:50.320
soon. As soon as the product finishes.

02:38:54.320 --> 02:38:56.320
So that is how you think

02:38:56.320 --> 02:38:58.320
about cloud computing and machine learning.

02:38:58.320 --> 02:39:00.320
They are all together. They're not going to kill

02:39:00.320 --> 02:39:02.320
each other, but help each other.

02:39:06.320 --> 02:39:08.320
Got it. Thank you.

02:39:08.320 --> 02:39:10.320
Next one, please.

02:39:10.320 --> 02:39:12.320
That actually

02:39:12.320 --> 02:39:14.320
yeah, I don't think

02:39:14.320 --> 02:39:16.320
we have another one except

02:39:16.320 --> 02:39:18.320
I just want to add

02:39:18.320 --> 02:39:20.320
that actually reminds me of the scenario that we have

02:39:20.320 --> 02:39:22.320
internal to

02:39:22.320 --> 02:39:24.320
where I work.

02:39:24.320 --> 02:39:26.320
We first focused on making the product

02:39:26.320 --> 02:39:28.320
work, then we worked upon the efficiency.

02:39:28.320 --> 02:39:30.320
Just like what you did with AI.

02:39:30.320 --> 02:39:32.320
First you have a speed

02:39:32.320 --> 02:39:34.320
so that you can just analyze and just

02:39:34.320 --> 02:39:36.320
correct it later on.

02:39:36.320 --> 02:39:38.320
That was quite useful for us

02:39:38.320 --> 02:39:40.320
in the end as well.

02:39:40.320 --> 02:39:42.320
Took the time from about two hours

02:39:42.320 --> 02:39:44.320
to around three hours. No, no, no.

02:39:44.320 --> 02:39:46.320
Two days to three hours.

02:39:46.320 --> 02:39:48.320
So that is kind of interesting.

02:39:48.320 --> 02:39:50.320
So

02:39:50.320 --> 02:39:52.320
Vijay is here and Sagi

02:39:52.320 --> 02:39:54.320
is here. So yeah, Vijay

02:39:54.320 --> 02:39:56.320
good to see you again.

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Hello.

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My main question was going to be what did I

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miss?

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So we recorded the whole thing.

02:40:04.320 --> 02:40:06.320
There were a lot. So we recorded the whole thing

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and I'll release this audio in

02:40:08.320 --> 02:40:10.320
form of a podcast on Spotify. You will

02:40:10.320 --> 02:40:12.320
see that.

02:40:12.320 --> 02:40:14.320
So we are recording.

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We have a question from Sagi. Hi.

02:40:16.320 --> 02:40:18.320
Just

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open a mic and speak.

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Hello.

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Hello, sir.

02:40:24.320 --> 02:40:26.320
Sir, my question was

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that

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can you hear me?

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Yes, Sagi. Go ahead.

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Yeah, my question

02:40:34.320 --> 02:40:36.320
was that how

02:40:36.320 --> 02:40:38.320
can we overcome

02:40:38.320 --> 02:40:40.320
the constant losing job

02:40:40.320 --> 02:40:42.320
stress?

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So

02:40:46.320 --> 02:40:48.320
we will have to find out

02:40:48.320 --> 02:40:50.320
where the stress comes from.

02:40:50.320 --> 02:40:52.320
Then we will be able to tell you how to overcome

02:40:52.320 --> 02:40:54.320
it. Because

02:40:54.320 --> 02:40:56.320
the stress has to have some

02:40:56.320 --> 02:40:58.320
source of its origin.

02:40:58.320 --> 02:41:00.320
Where is it coming from? That's for you to find out

02:41:00.320 --> 02:41:02.320
where the stress is originating from. Is it the

02:41:02.320 --> 02:41:04.320
boss? Change the boss.

02:41:04.320 --> 02:41:06.320
Is it something else?

02:41:06.320 --> 02:41:08.320
Change that thing.

02:41:08.320 --> 02:41:10.320
That's how you deal with stress.

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Right?

02:41:12.320 --> 02:41:14.320
If you are in a situation where

02:41:14.320 --> 02:41:16.320
you are not happy with whatever you have,

02:41:16.320 --> 02:41:18.320
you change it. That's the

02:41:18.320 --> 02:41:20.320
best way to manage stress.

02:41:20.320 --> 02:41:22.320
So if you have a job and the boss is bothering you,

02:41:22.320 --> 02:41:24.320
fire the boss.

02:41:24.320 --> 02:41:26.320
Take him out of the job. I mean,

02:41:26.320 --> 02:41:28.320
understand? That's what I'm saying.

02:41:28.320 --> 02:41:30.320
Fire the boss.

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Okay.

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So you have to find out what is causing the

02:41:36.320 --> 02:41:38.320
stress. And then kill it.

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I don't know what's causing stress for you.

02:41:42.320 --> 02:41:44.320
You have to find it yourself and shoot the

02:41:44.320 --> 02:41:46.320
bastard.

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Yes, hi.

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Thank you, sir.

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Once I was a Christian, I've been dealing with

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JS for a while.

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Although I'm a student,

02:42:00.320 --> 02:42:02.320
so I do take a break when I'm in school

02:42:02.320 --> 02:42:04.320
because it's not easy to do programming

02:42:04.320 --> 02:42:06.320
while in school because of

02:42:06.320 --> 02:42:08.320
light issues. But the problem

02:42:08.320 --> 02:42:10.320
I have is I've been dealing with JavaScript

02:42:10.320 --> 02:42:12.320
for a while. I can't really comprehend.

02:42:12.320 --> 02:42:14.320
Like yesterday, I watched

02:42:14.320 --> 02:42:16.320
a six-hour video. So I was

02:42:16.320 --> 02:42:18.320
like, I should do a small project like

02:42:18.320 --> 02:42:20.320
this. I couldn't do anything. I

02:42:20.320 --> 02:42:22.320
was just stuck. So I just

02:42:22.320 --> 02:42:24.320
want to ask for help, anything that

02:42:24.320 --> 02:42:26.320
I can do.

02:42:30.320 --> 02:42:32.320
So Abdul Waheed, I

02:42:32.320 --> 02:42:34.320
did not understand your question, probably

02:42:34.320 --> 02:42:36.320
because of accent.

02:42:36.320 --> 02:42:38.320
So if you can speak

02:42:38.320 --> 02:42:40.320
slowly in a few sentences again,

02:42:40.320 --> 02:42:42.320
I would appreciate that.

02:42:42.320 --> 02:42:44.320
I do understand. I have friends in Nigeria,

02:42:44.320 --> 02:42:46.320
by the way.

02:42:46.320 --> 02:42:48.320
And I do interact with lots

02:42:48.320 --> 02:42:50.320
of people from there. But I

02:42:50.320 --> 02:42:54.320
did not understand you, and I'm sorry for that.

02:42:54.320 --> 02:42:56.320
Okay. The problem

02:42:56.320 --> 02:42:58.320
is that

02:42:58.320 --> 02:43:00.320
I'm kind of

02:43:00.320 --> 02:43:02.320
stuck with JavaScript for a while.

02:43:02.320 --> 02:43:04.320
So

02:43:04.320 --> 02:43:06.320
like, for example, yesterday...

02:43:06.320 --> 02:43:08.320
Please stop. Please stop. Did you say

02:43:08.320 --> 02:43:10.320
you're stuck with JavaScript?

02:43:10.320 --> 02:43:12.320
Yes. Yes.

02:43:12.320 --> 02:43:14.320
Okay. Okay. Now, go ahead.

02:43:14.320 --> 02:43:16.320
I understand. Go ahead. Keep going.

02:43:16.320 --> 02:43:18.320
Yeah. Like yesterday,

02:43:18.320 --> 02:43:20.320
I watched a straight video of six

02:43:20.320 --> 02:43:22.320
hours. So I was like,

02:43:22.320 --> 02:43:24.320
I was trying to build a small project to

02:43:24.320 --> 02:43:26.320
know maybe I'm

02:43:26.320 --> 02:43:28.320
comprehending the video.

02:43:28.320 --> 02:43:30.320
So I couldn't do anything.

02:43:30.320 --> 02:43:32.320
So I tried my best.

02:43:32.320 --> 02:43:34.320
So I don't know why.

02:43:34.320 --> 02:43:36.320
So that's why I'm asking if there is any

02:43:36.320 --> 02:43:38.320
method to learn.

02:43:40.320 --> 02:43:42.320
I understand your question now. I'll

02:43:42.320 --> 02:43:44.320
read the question. I mean, I'll speak

02:43:44.320 --> 02:43:46.320
the question again for everybody to understand.

02:43:46.320 --> 02:43:48.320
The question is, Abdul Waheed

02:43:48.320 --> 02:43:50.320
from Nigeria is learning

02:43:50.320 --> 02:43:52.320
JavaScript. He watched something

02:43:52.320 --> 02:43:54.320
and he's doing it for six hours

02:43:54.320 --> 02:43:56.320
and still could not succeed. What should we do?

02:43:56.320 --> 02:43:58.320
The simple answer is

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find another video.

02:44:00.320 --> 02:44:02.320
That's a quick answer.

02:44:02.320 --> 02:44:04.320
The right answer is

02:44:04.320 --> 02:44:06.320
go search for JavaScript

02:44:06.320 --> 02:44:08.320
tutorials in YouTube, for

02:44:08.320 --> 02:44:10.320
example, and sort them by the

02:44:10.320 --> 02:44:12.320
number of views, number of ratings,

02:44:12.320 --> 02:44:14.320
find the read the comments,

02:44:14.320 --> 02:44:16.320
do a Google search on

02:44:16.320 --> 02:44:18.320
which are the best videos for your

02:44:18.320 --> 02:44:20.320
specific situation, which aspect of JavaScript

02:44:20.320 --> 02:44:22.320
you're trying to understand

02:44:22.320 --> 02:44:24.320
and watch that. And as you watch,

02:44:24.320 --> 02:44:26.320
don't just watch.

02:44:26.320 --> 02:44:28.320
Pause and do what they're doing

02:44:28.320 --> 02:44:30.320
yourself. And then play

02:44:30.320 --> 02:44:32.320
it again and rewind and repeat

02:44:32.320 --> 02:44:34.320
and rewind and repeat until you

02:44:34.320 --> 02:44:36.320
get what you want. If you don't get the answer,

02:44:36.320 --> 02:44:38.320
go do Stack Overflow. Search.

02:44:38.320 --> 02:44:40.320
Get the answer there.

02:44:40.320 --> 02:44:42.320
If you don't get the answer, ask

02:44:42.320 --> 02:44:44.320
your friend or post it on

02:44:44.320 --> 02:44:46.320
some forum and wait for somebody to respond

02:44:46.320 --> 02:44:48.320
or ask your question on Stack Overflow

02:44:48.320 --> 02:44:50.320
and see if somebody helps you out.

02:44:50.320 --> 02:44:52.320
That's how most

02:44:52.320 --> 02:44:54.320
people work. That's the right

02:44:54.320 --> 02:44:56.320
way to work.

02:44:56.320 --> 02:44:58.320
And if you don't succeed with

02:44:58.320 --> 02:45:00.320
one video, find another video.

02:45:00.320 --> 02:45:02.320
If not

02:45:02.320 --> 02:45:04.320
third video, it goes on.

02:45:04.320 --> 02:45:06.320
By the way, something I remember is this

02:45:06.320 --> 02:45:08.320
thing called FreeCodeCamp has a beautiful

02:45:08.320 --> 02:45:10.320
JavaScript thing.

02:45:10.320 --> 02:45:12.320
Just follow that. It's a beautiful

02:45:12.320 --> 02:45:14.320
free thing. You should use it. FreeCodeCamp

02:45:14.320 --> 02:45:16.320
is a good one. Another free

02:45:16.320 --> 02:45:18.320
resource is Khan Academy.

02:45:18.320 --> 02:45:20.320
It is something that is

02:45:20.320 --> 02:45:22.320
absolutely brilliant and awesome

02:45:22.320 --> 02:45:24.320
and I use it even today.

02:45:24.320 --> 02:45:26.320
Khan Academy.

02:45:26.320 --> 02:45:28.320
You may have heard of it.

02:45:34.320 --> 02:45:36.320
Yes, Pratyush.

02:45:36.320 --> 02:45:38.320
Yeah, let Vijay go first.

02:45:38.320 --> 02:45:40.320
Okay, Vijay.

02:45:40.320 --> 02:45:42.320
Okay, I was

02:45:42.320 --> 02:45:44.320
going to ask or

02:45:44.320 --> 02:45:46.320
add that if I

02:45:46.320 --> 02:45:48.320
heard him correctly, he was saying that he

02:45:48.320 --> 02:45:50.320
watched the tutorial for six hours

02:45:50.320 --> 02:45:52.320
and was still stuck.

02:45:52.320 --> 02:45:54.320
So one thing I wanted to clarify that

02:45:54.320 --> 02:45:56.320
if you are trying to

02:45:56.320 --> 02:45:58.320
process everything, if the

02:45:58.320 --> 02:46:00.320
tutorial itself is six hours long, meaning

02:46:00.320 --> 02:46:02.320
that it was covering a lot of topics

02:46:02.320 --> 02:46:04.320
and if you're trying to cover or digest

02:46:04.320 --> 02:46:06.320
everything at once,

02:46:06.320 --> 02:46:08.320
that might feel overwhelming.

02:46:08.320 --> 02:46:10.320
So I would say if that's what you're facing, you should

02:46:10.320 --> 02:46:12.320
also kind of break it down, like

02:46:12.320 --> 02:46:14.320
learn one small or basic

02:46:14.320 --> 02:46:16.320
concept, experiment with that,

02:46:16.320 --> 02:46:18.320
experiment with that, kind of implement

02:46:18.320 --> 02:46:20.320
that and kind of get understanding and then move

02:46:20.320 --> 02:46:22.320
on to the next one rather than trying

02:46:22.320 --> 02:46:24.320
to learn the whole JavaScript in

02:46:24.320 --> 02:46:26.320
six hours. But I'm not sure if that's what

02:46:26.320 --> 02:46:28.320
you were doing. I'm just

02:46:28.320 --> 02:46:30.320
assuming that if that's one of the problems,

02:46:30.320 --> 02:46:34.320
then you should break it.

02:46:42.320 --> 02:46:44.320
I think that was a good answer, Vijay. Thank you.

02:46:44.320 --> 02:46:46.320
And so there is a question from

02:46:46.320 --> 02:46:48.320
Suman Giri

02:46:48.320 --> 02:46:50.320
about where do I find a Spotify

02:46:50.320 --> 02:46:52.320
podcast? So you go to my website

02:46:52.320 --> 02:46:54.320
and that's where you'll find at the bottom,

02:46:54.320 --> 02:46:56.320
very bottom you'll see a Spotify link.

02:46:56.320 --> 02:46:58.320
That's where the Spotify

02:46:58.320 --> 02:47:00.320
podcast is. You can see

02:47:00.320 --> 02:47:02.320
it right there. My website should be

02:47:02.320 --> 02:47:04.320
on my profile.

02:47:06.320 --> 02:47:08.320
This question was in DM, by the way.

02:47:10.320 --> 02:47:12.320
For Suman Giri

02:47:12.320 --> 02:47:14.320
from Nepal.

02:47:16.320 --> 02:47:18.320
So Bawuk has this question and I would like

02:47:18.320 --> 02:47:20.320
to take up his question, which is he

02:47:20.320 --> 02:47:22.320
I think put on Nest. The question

02:47:22.320 --> 02:47:24.320
needs some background. The background

02:47:24.320 --> 02:47:26.320
is a video that you have to watch for 16

02:47:26.320 --> 02:47:28.320
minutes to understand the context. I'll give you

02:47:28.320 --> 02:47:30.320
a short summary. The summary

02:47:30.320 --> 02:47:32.320
is how do you invest?

02:47:32.320 --> 02:47:34.320
What do you invest in? And so

02:47:34.320 --> 02:47:36.320
the story in that video is going about

02:47:36.320 --> 02:47:38.320
flipping a coin and you flip a coin

02:47:38.320 --> 02:47:40.320
and if you had you win

02:47:40.320 --> 02:47:42.320
50% chance of winning

02:47:42.320 --> 02:47:44.320
and the other way is

02:47:44.320 --> 02:47:46.320
you have 40% chance of losing.

02:47:46.320 --> 02:47:48.320
So it's not a fair game.

02:47:48.320 --> 02:47:50.320
Actually, it's a better than fair game.

02:47:50.320 --> 02:47:52.320
So flip, flip, flip, 50

02:47:52.320 --> 02:47:54.320
chance of win, 40 chance of lose.

02:47:54.320 --> 02:47:56.320
And if you keep playing that game

02:47:56.320 --> 02:47:58.320
what do you think will happen?

02:48:00.320 --> 02:48:02.320
Over time?

02:48:02.320 --> 02:48:04.320
Anybody? Any guesses?

02:48:04.320 --> 02:48:06.320
The average

02:48:06.320 --> 02:48:08.320
outcome is that you'll win is what

02:48:08.320 --> 02:48:10.320
rational thinking tells us.

02:48:10.320 --> 02:48:12.320
Yes. But what should

02:48:12.320 --> 02:48:14.320
you be doing? Should you keep playing that one

02:48:14.320 --> 02:48:16.320
game forever?

02:48:16.320 --> 02:48:18.320
No. You should not.

02:48:18.320 --> 02:48:20.320
What you instead should do

02:48:20.320 --> 02:48:22.320
and that's the answer to the question that

02:48:22.320 --> 02:48:24.320
Bhavak is asking or wanting to ask

02:48:24.320 --> 02:48:26.320
implicitly is

02:48:26.320 --> 02:48:28.320
you want to play multiple such games

02:48:28.320 --> 02:48:30.320
simultaneously. That's the origin

02:48:30.320 --> 02:48:32.320
of what is called portfolio theory

02:48:32.320 --> 02:48:34.320
of modern portfolio theory.

02:48:34.320 --> 02:48:36.320
If you can read up on that. It's a

02:48:36.320 --> 02:48:38.320
MBA finance question

02:48:38.320 --> 02:48:40.320
topic. Portfolio theory

02:48:40.320 --> 02:48:42.320
is the topic of discussion

02:48:42.320 --> 02:48:44.320
in which there are certain phrases that I think I

02:48:44.320 --> 02:48:46.320
already wrote to Bhavak a while ago.

02:48:46.320 --> 02:48:48.320
The phrases I'm going to

02:48:48.320 --> 02:48:50.320
enumerate them. One of them

02:48:50.320 --> 02:48:52.320
is efficient frontier.

02:48:52.320 --> 02:48:54.320
Efficient frontier.

02:48:54.320 --> 02:48:56.320
These are finance topics

02:48:56.320 --> 02:48:58.320
not technology topics but I'm just saying

02:48:58.320 --> 02:49:00.320
out loud so you can Google them

02:49:00.320 --> 02:49:02.320
or study them on your own.

02:49:02.320 --> 02:49:04.320
These are related to how you

02:49:04.320 --> 02:49:06.320
make investment decisions for yourself.

02:49:06.320 --> 02:49:08.320
To understand what efficient frontier

02:49:08.320 --> 02:49:10.320
is. I'm not going to go detail in that

02:49:10.320 --> 02:49:12.320
topic because it's way too much nerdy

02:49:12.320 --> 02:49:14.320
in finance. I'll not do that right now.

02:49:14.320 --> 02:49:16.320
But learn these things on your own

02:49:16.320 --> 02:49:18.320
by doing Wikipedia searches.

02:49:18.320 --> 02:49:20.320
Portfolio analysis.

02:49:20.320 --> 02:49:22.320
Modern portfolio theory.

02:49:22.320 --> 02:49:24.320
Efficient

02:49:24.320 --> 02:49:26.320
frontier.

02:49:26.320 --> 02:49:28.320
Risk free rate.

02:49:28.320 --> 02:49:30.320
Understand

02:49:30.320 --> 02:49:32.320
Bitcoin.

02:49:32.320 --> 02:49:34.320
Understand the federal

02:49:34.320 --> 02:49:36.320
reserve. See what is happening

02:49:36.320 --> 02:49:38.320
in the global

02:49:38.320 --> 02:49:40.320
economy. See what is

02:49:40.320 --> 02:49:42.320
happening in the US economy.

02:49:42.320 --> 02:49:44.320
See what is happening in your country

02:49:44.320 --> 02:49:46.320
economy. These are big topics

02:49:46.320 --> 02:49:48.320
and it takes a lot of time to read

02:49:48.320 --> 02:49:50.320
but you should.

02:49:50.320 --> 02:49:52.320
If you don't read and don't understand

02:49:52.320 --> 02:49:54.320
you will be playing in

02:49:54.320 --> 02:49:56.320
the dark. So read

02:49:56.320 --> 02:49:58.320
understand. Experiment

02:49:58.320 --> 02:50:00.320
small and experiment

02:50:00.320 --> 02:50:02.320
a lot.

02:50:02.320 --> 02:50:04.320
Lots of small experiments. It's a good

02:50:04.320 --> 02:50:06.320
thing. You will lose some, you will

02:50:06.320 --> 02:50:08.320
win some. I told you about

02:50:08.320 --> 02:50:10.320
VC. How do VCs invest?

02:50:10.320 --> 02:50:12.320
$100 million. They don't put

02:50:12.320 --> 02:50:14.320
all that money in one company, one startup.

02:50:14.320 --> 02:50:16.320
They spread it.

02:50:16.320 --> 02:50:18.320
Spread the risk.

02:50:18.320 --> 02:50:20.320
And when you go work for one company

02:50:20.320 --> 02:50:22.320
you are actually betting on that one

02:50:22.320 --> 02:50:24.320
company's success.

02:50:24.320 --> 02:50:26.320
You are actually doing the opposite of what the VC

02:50:26.320 --> 02:50:28.320
does. What VC is doing is

02:50:28.320 --> 02:50:30.320
spreading the risk. You are taking on all

02:50:30.320 --> 02:50:32.320
the risk in one company. You want

02:50:32.320 --> 02:50:34.320
to spread your risk in multiple

02:50:34.320 --> 02:50:36.320
projects.

02:50:36.320 --> 02:50:38.320
Multiple things you do in your life

02:50:38.320 --> 02:50:40.320
to optimize your portfolio.

02:50:40.320 --> 02:50:42.320
To reach the optimal outcome.

02:50:42.320 --> 02:50:44.320
And that's how

02:50:44.320 --> 02:50:46.320
the answer to Bhavak's question

02:50:46.320 --> 02:50:48.320
in your nest.

02:50:48.320 --> 02:50:50.320
There may be

02:50:50.320 --> 02:50:52.320
other questions that Bhavak has. So go ahead

02:50:52.320 --> 02:50:54.320
and ask them.

02:50:54.320 --> 02:50:56.320
Another

02:50:56.320 --> 02:50:58.320
one of the questions was

02:50:58.320 --> 02:51:00.320
at age 40, I'm not sure

02:51:00.320 --> 02:51:02.320
if you will remember, what

02:51:02.320 --> 02:51:04.320
was your portfolio looking like?

02:51:04.320 --> 02:51:06.320
I explained this in one of the replies

02:51:06.320 --> 02:51:08.320
to that tweet as well.

02:51:08.320 --> 02:51:10.320
One is your company.

02:51:10.320 --> 02:51:12.320
I believe you were running

02:51:12.320 --> 02:51:14.320
courses there. And I believe

02:51:14.320 --> 02:51:16.320
I'm just assuming here that you might have some stock

02:51:16.320 --> 02:51:18.320
options from the company that you worked for.

02:51:18.320 --> 02:51:20.320
So these are the two obvious ones.

02:51:20.320 --> 02:51:22.320
But what else?

02:51:22.320 --> 02:51:24.320
So

02:51:24.320 --> 02:51:26.320
I understand.

02:51:26.320 --> 02:51:28.320
I think I would like you to mute.

02:51:28.320 --> 02:51:30.320
Please mute.

02:51:30.320 --> 02:51:32.320
The Microsoft company

02:51:32.320 --> 02:51:34.320
or any company in the US these days does

02:51:34.320 --> 02:51:36.320
not give you stock options. They don't.

02:51:36.320 --> 02:51:38.320
They just stop doing it like

02:51:38.320 --> 02:51:40.320
before I came to the US.

02:51:40.320 --> 02:51:42.320
So the tradition of giving stock options

02:51:42.320 --> 02:51:44.320
is stopped. They don't.

02:51:44.320 --> 02:51:46.320
What they do give you

02:51:46.320 --> 02:51:48.320
is stock grant.

02:51:48.320 --> 02:51:50.320
And you get a lot of grant, depending on

02:51:50.320 --> 02:51:52.320
what you're working on. So the grant

02:51:52.320 --> 02:51:54.320
is basically a grant of stock.

02:51:54.320 --> 02:51:56.320
And what I used to do is I

02:51:56.320 --> 02:51:58.320
immediately sell all the Microsoft stock.

02:51:58.320 --> 02:52:00.320
All of it.

02:52:00.320 --> 02:52:02.320
And buy Apple.

02:52:02.320 --> 02:52:04.320
That's what I did.

02:52:04.320 --> 02:52:06.320
Now

02:52:06.320 --> 02:52:08.320
doesn't mean that this is the right approach.

02:52:08.320 --> 02:52:10.320
But I'm just telling you what I did.

02:52:10.320 --> 02:52:12.320
Because you asked me that question.

02:52:14.320 --> 02:52:16.320
That's not the right approach by the way.

02:52:16.320 --> 02:52:18.320
That is not

02:52:18.320 --> 02:52:20.320
the right approach. Because it is like putting all

02:52:20.320 --> 02:52:22.320
your eggs in one basket. It's like

02:52:22.320 --> 02:52:24.320
you know, taking a big risk.

02:52:24.320 --> 02:52:26.320
Taking a bet. Taking one

02:52:26.320 --> 02:52:28.320
bet is bad. Taking

02:52:28.320 --> 02:52:30.320
lots of bets, good.

02:52:32.320 --> 02:52:34.320
Good bets. Take lots of

02:52:34.320 --> 02:52:36.320
good bets. You think something

02:52:36.320 --> 02:52:38.320
is good, that's why it makes it good. But it

02:52:38.320 --> 02:52:40.320
may turn out to be bad after the fact.

02:52:40.320 --> 02:52:42.320
And that's okay.

02:52:46.320 --> 02:52:48.320
So that was your portfolio?

02:52:48.320 --> 02:52:50.320
Like Apple stock?

02:52:50.320 --> 02:52:52.320
Yes.

02:52:52.320 --> 02:52:54.320
Okay.

02:52:54.320 --> 02:52:56.320
Alright. I think that

02:52:56.320 --> 02:52:58.320
played really well in your favor.

02:52:58.320 --> 02:53:00.320
Yes it did.

02:53:00.320 --> 02:53:02.320
And these days my son

02:53:02.320 --> 02:53:04.320
works at Apple.

02:53:04.320 --> 02:53:06.320
For five years or so.

02:53:06.320 --> 02:53:08.320
So that turned out to be really good

02:53:08.320 --> 02:53:10.320
even for him.

02:53:12.320 --> 02:53:14.320
Got it. I think that does make sense.

02:53:16.320 --> 02:53:18.320
But the challenge

02:53:18.320 --> 02:53:20.320
is most people will not do it that way.

02:53:20.320 --> 02:53:22.320
When I was at Microsoft I used to

02:53:22.320 --> 02:53:24.320
tell people I have everything in Apple.

02:53:24.320 --> 02:53:26.320
They laugh at me.

02:53:26.320 --> 02:53:28.320
I said fine. You can keep

02:53:28.320 --> 02:53:30.320
laughing. But I believe that this is

02:53:30.320 --> 02:53:32.320
a good company because they make products that

02:53:32.320 --> 02:53:34.320
people actually use.

02:53:34.320 --> 02:53:36.320
And therefore I keep investing.

02:53:38.320 --> 02:53:40.320
That's it.

02:53:40.320 --> 02:53:42.320
I just love their packaging design

02:53:42.320 --> 02:53:44.320
to be honest. Like how they package all this stuff.

02:53:44.320 --> 02:53:46.320
Packaging is part of the game.

02:53:46.320 --> 02:53:48.320
Packaging is a side topic. Yes. And packaging is

02:53:48.320 --> 02:53:50.320
part of the game. But the best thing that I

02:53:50.320 --> 02:53:52.320
find useful about Apple is

02:53:52.320 --> 02:53:54.320
how people use the product.

02:53:54.320 --> 02:53:56.320
It's not about the product.

02:53:56.320 --> 02:53:58.320
It's about how people use it.

02:53:58.320 --> 02:54:00.320
That is the best part.

02:54:02.320 --> 02:54:04.320
Yup.

02:54:04.320 --> 02:54:06.320
Actually I was using Apple products right away before

02:54:06.320 --> 02:54:08.320
I switched to this one before they charged up.

02:54:08.320 --> 02:54:10.320
But that's an off topic.

02:54:10.320 --> 02:54:12.320
Vijay, you want to add something?

02:54:12.320 --> 02:54:14.320
Yeah. Just a side note to what

02:54:14.320 --> 02:54:16.320
Neelay said.

02:54:16.320 --> 02:54:18.320
Also some companies and Microsoft

02:54:18.320 --> 02:54:20.320
is one of them offer you

02:54:20.320 --> 02:54:22.320
something called Employee Stock Purchase Plan.

02:54:22.320 --> 02:54:24.320
So you can buy

02:54:24.320 --> 02:54:26.320
Microsoft shares at a discount.

02:54:26.320 --> 02:54:28.320
And you can then

02:54:28.320 --> 02:54:30.320
immediately sell them.

02:54:30.320 --> 02:54:32.320
Immediately meaning not the same day

02:54:32.320 --> 02:54:34.320
maybe there is some restriction. So that also

02:54:34.320 --> 02:54:36.320
I think can work really well for

02:54:36.320 --> 02:54:38.320
some of the people working at some companies

02:54:38.320 --> 02:54:40.320
who offer that. Google doesn't.

02:54:40.320 --> 02:54:42.320
Amazon doesn't. But Microsoft does.

02:54:42.320 --> 02:54:44.320
So that's almost like a

02:54:44.320 --> 02:54:46.320
short way of making some money if the

02:54:46.320 --> 02:54:48.320
stock is not too volatile.

02:54:48.320 --> 02:54:50.320
Just a side note to what

02:54:50.320 --> 02:54:52.320
Neelay was saying.

02:54:52.320 --> 02:54:54.320
By the way this approach that Vijay

02:54:54.320 --> 02:54:56.320
is suggesting is a very valid one.

02:54:56.320 --> 02:54:58.320
Make maximum use of what the company gives you.

02:54:58.320 --> 02:55:00.320
ESPP is called

02:55:00.320 --> 02:55:02.320
Employee Stock Purchase Plan.

02:55:02.320 --> 02:55:04.320
Use that. Employee Stock Grant.

02:55:04.320 --> 02:55:06.320
Use that. Any other thing that the

02:55:06.320 --> 02:55:08.320
company gives you, take it.

02:55:08.320 --> 02:55:10.320
Some people miss on the idea of

02:55:10.320 --> 02:55:12.320
what is called 401k

02:55:12.320 --> 02:55:14.320
company contribution.

02:55:14.320 --> 02:55:16.320
Take that. People just don't know these things.

02:55:16.320 --> 02:55:18.320
So just take it. Take whatever they give you.

02:55:18.320 --> 02:55:20.320
Make full use of it.

02:55:20.320 --> 02:55:22.320
And then you take bets.

02:55:22.320 --> 02:55:24.320
You take bets in good things and

02:55:24.320 --> 02:55:26.320
don't do like I did. But you take good

02:55:26.320 --> 02:55:28.320
bets in like 10 companies,

02:55:28.320 --> 02:55:30.320
20 companies, maybe more, maybe less.

02:55:30.320 --> 02:55:32.320
And then

02:55:32.320 --> 02:55:34.320
build a portfolio yourself after

02:55:34.320 --> 02:55:36.320
you research yourself. It's a hard

02:55:36.320 --> 02:55:38.320
task to ask somebody

02:55:38.320 --> 02:55:40.320
to research 10 companies.

02:55:40.320 --> 02:55:42.320
It's a lot of work. It's a full time

02:55:42.320 --> 02:55:44.320
job. To manage money itself

02:55:44.320 --> 02:55:46.320
is a full time job.

02:55:46.320 --> 02:55:48.320
That's hard. Managing

02:55:48.320 --> 02:55:50.320
money itself, you know, it is

02:55:50.320 --> 02:55:52.320
hard. You know, there are companies who do that

02:55:52.320 --> 02:55:54.320
for a big amount of money

02:55:54.320 --> 02:55:56.320
people charge just to manage your money.

02:55:56.320 --> 02:55:58.320
It is hard. And even

02:55:58.320 --> 02:56:00.320
then they suck.

02:56:00.320 --> 02:56:02.320
Everybody sucks.

02:56:02.320 --> 02:56:04.320
That's a fact of life. Nobody knows what's happening

02:56:04.320 --> 02:56:06.320
in the market in the future. Nobody can

02:56:06.320 --> 02:56:08.320
tell you. If anybody knows

02:56:08.320 --> 02:56:10.320
what is going to happen tomorrow,

02:56:10.320 --> 02:56:12.320
well, I'll beat Elon Musk

02:56:12.320 --> 02:56:14.320
right now.

02:56:14.320 --> 02:56:16.320
If I know what's happening tomorrow,

02:56:16.320 --> 02:56:18.320
I know how to beat

02:56:18.320 --> 02:56:20.320
him. If I knew.

02:56:22.320 --> 02:56:24.320
Also,

02:56:24.320 --> 02:56:26.320
I think something that you said needs to be

02:56:26.320 --> 02:56:28.320
highlighted one more time.

02:56:28.320 --> 02:56:30.320
You said it very wisely about

02:56:30.320 --> 02:56:32.320
portfolio optimization.

02:56:32.320 --> 02:56:34.320
And it is not maximization.

02:56:34.320 --> 02:56:36.320
You don't necessarily have to

02:56:36.320 --> 02:56:38.320
always look at maximizing your

02:56:38.320 --> 02:56:40.320
money because there is always higher risk,

02:56:40.320 --> 02:56:42.320
higher return or higher reward. But it

02:56:42.320 --> 02:56:44.320
depends on your own risk appetite.

02:56:44.320 --> 02:56:46.320
You have to optimize for your own situation.

02:56:46.320 --> 02:56:48.320
Not necessarily always go against

02:56:48.320 --> 02:56:50.320
what is going to give me the highest

02:56:50.320 --> 02:56:52.320
return. Yes, because highest

02:56:52.320 --> 02:56:54.320
returns usually come with highest risk.

02:56:54.320 --> 02:56:56.320
And not everybody has

02:56:56.320 --> 02:56:58.320
the same risk tolerance.

02:56:58.320 --> 02:57:00.320
So risk and reward go

02:57:00.320 --> 02:57:02.320
together.

02:57:02.320 --> 02:57:04.320
It's like, you know, go to Las Vegas

02:57:04.320 --> 02:57:06.320
and do a betting

02:57:06.320 --> 02:57:08.320
on some stupid game there.

02:57:08.320 --> 02:57:10.320
Las Vegas is a

02:57:10.320 --> 02:57:14.320
casino.

02:57:14.320 --> 02:57:16.320
So I go to the casino.

02:57:16.320 --> 02:57:18.320
I go to Las Vegas. Every time I go

02:57:18.320 --> 02:57:20.320
there, I play a game, one machine.

02:57:20.320 --> 02:57:22.320
I'm my favorite machine there.

02:57:22.320 --> 02:57:24.320
I'll tell you about that machine. It's a very

02:57:24.320 --> 02:57:26.320
beautiful machine. It gives me four

02:57:26.320 --> 02:57:28.320
quarters.

02:57:28.320 --> 02:57:30.320
Quarter is like 25 cents.

02:57:30.320 --> 02:57:32.320
Every single time

02:57:32.320 --> 02:57:34.320
I put in a dollar,

02:57:34.320 --> 02:57:36.320
it gives me four quarters back.

02:57:38.320 --> 02:57:40.320
Every single time.

02:57:40.320 --> 02:57:42.320
Best machine on the planet in

02:57:42.320 --> 02:57:44.320
Las Vegas is that machine.

02:57:44.320 --> 02:57:46.320
What is that machine called?

02:57:46.320 --> 02:57:48.320
Do you know?

02:57:48.320 --> 02:57:50.320
It's a slot machine.

02:57:50.320 --> 02:57:52.320
Coin vending machine?

02:57:52.320 --> 02:57:54.320
Who was that saying?

02:57:54.320 --> 02:57:56.320
Babuk?

02:57:56.320 --> 02:57:58.320
Coin vending machine?

02:57:58.320 --> 02:58:00.320
Yes, it's also called change machine.

02:58:00.320 --> 02:58:02.320
It gives you change.

02:58:02.320 --> 02:58:04.320
It gives you change.

02:58:04.320 --> 02:58:06.320
It gives you one rupee, two, four, fifty.

02:58:06.320 --> 02:58:08.320
That is my favorite machine.

02:58:08.320 --> 02:58:10.320
Basically, it has zero risk and zero reward.

02:58:10.320 --> 02:58:12.320
Put one rupee in, one rupee out.

02:58:12.320 --> 02:58:14.320
Four quarters back.

02:58:14.320 --> 02:58:16.320
One put one dollar, get four quarters

02:58:16.320 --> 02:58:18.320
back every single time without fail.

02:58:18.320 --> 02:58:20.320
No risk.

02:58:20.320 --> 02:58:22.320
And no return. Zero risk, zero

02:58:22.320 --> 02:58:24.320
return. That's the idea

02:58:24.320 --> 02:58:26.320
of risk at the low profile. On the

02:58:26.320 --> 02:58:28.320
high risk, when you go

02:58:28.320 --> 02:58:30.320
play some random slot machine in Las

02:58:30.320 --> 02:58:32.320
Vegas, put some money, nothing comes

02:58:32.320 --> 02:58:34.320
out. Put more money, nothing comes out.

02:58:34.320 --> 02:58:36.320
Because it will never come out.

02:58:36.320 --> 02:58:38.320
Maybe never is not the right word.

02:58:38.320 --> 02:58:40.320
Once in a blue moon, it might come

02:58:40.320 --> 02:58:42.320
something and you might win something.

02:58:42.320 --> 02:58:44.320
But that's a rare thing.

02:58:44.320 --> 02:58:46.320
That's a very high risk and

02:58:46.320 --> 02:58:48.320
very high reward situation.

02:58:48.320 --> 02:58:50.320
Again, same in Las Vegas.

02:58:50.320 --> 02:58:52.320
There are two extremes in Las Vegas.

02:58:52.320 --> 02:58:54.320
The change machine that I mentioned about.

02:58:54.320 --> 02:58:56.320
Put one dollar, get four quarters back.

02:58:56.320 --> 02:58:58.320
Zero risk, zero return.

02:58:58.320 --> 02:59:00.320
Extreme risk.

02:59:00.320 --> 02:59:02.320
Bet money and win big.

02:59:02.320 --> 02:59:04.320
Or win nothing.

02:59:04.320 --> 02:59:06.320
Win nothing is the most likely scenario.

02:59:06.320 --> 02:59:08.320
Win big is a possible rare

02:59:08.320 --> 02:59:10.320
case. So high risk, high reward.

02:59:10.320 --> 02:59:12.320
And those

02:59:12.320 --> 02:59:14.320
are legal things. There are certain

02:59:14.320 --> 02:59:16.320
things that are beyond legal, illegal things.

02:59:16.320 --> 02:59:18.320
Like stealing and theft.

02:59:18.320 --> 02:59:20.320
You can also go and steal

02:59:20.320 --> 02:59:22.320
a bank.

02:59:22.320 --> 02:59:24.320
Like completely do robbery.

02:59:24.320 --> 02:59:26.320
It's a very high risk. It might

02:59:26.320 --> 02:59:28.320
have a high reward. So you have to

02:59:28.320 --> 02:59:30.320
balance your risk and reward as to

02:59:30.320 --> 02:59:32.320
where you sit on the line

02:59:32.320 --> 02:59:34.320
on the efficient frontier. That's what

02:59:34.320 --> 02:59:36.320
efficient frontier means by the way.

02:59:36.320 --> 02:59:38.320
I think I mentioned the word efficient frontier.

02:59:38.320 --> 02:59:40.320
It's basically a graph of risk versus reward.

02:59:46.320 --> 02:59:48.320
Next question Bhavuk.

02:59:50.320 --> 02:59:52.320
I don't have currently

02:59:52.320 --> 02:59:54.320
anything on me.

02:59:54.320 --> 02:59:56.320
Then we'll open it to anybody else

02:59:56.320 --> 03:00:04.320
who has or may have any question.

03:00:04.320 --> 03:00:06.320
If you want to ask

03:00:06.320 --> 03:00:08.320
something to request for Mike.

03:00:08.320 --> 03:00:10.320
Somebody just did. Vikas Vakde.

03:00:10.320 --> 03:00:12.320
Hi.

03:00:16.320 --> 03:00:18.320
While he asks, I will head to my

03:00:18.320 --> 03:00:20.320
next meeting now. Good to see you

03:00:20.320 --> 03:00:22.320
again.

03:00:22.320 --> 03:00:24.320
This is more interesting than

03:00:24.320 --> 03:00:26.320
a meeting. So I have to jump.

03:00:26.320 --> 03:00:28.320
I have to go to the meeting as well.

03:00:30.320 --> 03:00:32.320
Bye folks.

03:00:32.320 --> 03:00:34.320
Hi Vikas.

03:00:34.320 --> 03:00:36.320
My question was how to manage our health

03:00:36.320 --> 03:00:38.320
in this technology field.

03:00:40.320 --> 03:00:42.320
It's a very good topic.

03:00:42.320 --> 03:00:44.320
The way to manage health

03:00:44.320 --> 03:00:46.320
is to shut up, get up and

03:00:46.320 --> 03:00:48.320
do it. You know what to do.

03:00:48.320 --> 03:00:50.320
That's the hardest thing to do.

03:00:50.320 --> 03:00:52.320
I know. You remind me to get up.

03:00:52.320 --> 03:00:54.320
You remind me to go get up and actually do something

03:00:54.320 --> 03:00:56.320
for today because yesterday

03:00:56.320 --> 03:00:58.320
I did skipping on a rope.

03:01:00.320 --> 03:01:02.320
And I'll do it today again.

03:01:02.320 --> 03:01:04.320
Or maybe go to the gym.

03:01:04.320 --> 03:01:06.320
Afternoon.

03:01:08.320 --> 03:01:10.320
But you have to do it.

03:01:10.320 --> 03:01:12.320
And you have to do it consistently

03:01:12.320 --> 03:01:14.320
inconsistent. Meaning some

03:01:14.320 --> 03:01:16.320
days you do more, some days you do less.

03:01:16.320 --> 03:01:18.320
That is inconsistency.

03:01:18.320 --> 03:01:20.320
But you do it every day.

03:01:20.320 --> 03:01:22.320
And that is consistency.

03:01:22.320 --> 03:01:24.320
So be consistently inconsistent.

03:01:26.320 --> 03:01:28.320
Because nobody can do exactly the same thing

03:01:28.320 --> 03:01:30.320
every single day. That's impossible.

03:01:30.320 --> 03:01:32.320
That's what I mean by consistency

03:01:32.320 --> 03:01:34.320
is to do consistency.

03:01:34.320 --> 03:01:36.320
You know inconsistent

03:01:36.320 --> 03:01:38.320
things consistently.

03:01:38.320 --> 03:01:40.320
Keep doing whatever it takes.

03:01:40.320 --> 03:01:46.320
That's also okay.

03:01:46.320 --> 03:01:48.320
Chicken, mutton,

03:01:48.320 --> 03:01:50.320
whatever you want to eat, drink,

03:01:50.320 --> 03:01:52.320
have fun. Do that too.

03:01:52.320 --> 03:01:54.320
That's how it is.

03:01:58.320 --> 03:02:00.320
Sir, any tips on time management?

03:02:04.320 --> 03:02:06.320
The best tip of time management is to

03:02:06.320 --> 03:02:08.320
ignore your calendar.

03:02:08.320 --> 03:02:10.320
I know it's impossible for most people.

03:02:12.320 --> 03:02:14.320
But don't book a meeting.

03:02:14.320 --> 03:02:16.320
The time opens automatically.

03:02:16.320 --> 03:02:18.320
I mean what I'm saying in English

03:02:18.320 --> 03:02:20.320
is you don't take meetings.

03:02:20.320 --> 03:02:22.320
Very rarely

03:02:22.320 --> 03:02:24.320
I don't book

03:02:24.320 --> 03:02:26.320
specific meetings for a specific time.

03:02:26.320 --> 03:02:28.320
Unless today like we did this at

03:02:28.320 --> 03:02:30.320
the set time I announced it and I'm here.

03:02:30.320 --> 03:02:32.320
But that's a rare thing

03:02:32.320 --> 03:02:34.320
for me. I never book meetings.

03:02:34.320 --> 03:02:36.320
Unless there is a requirement

03:02:36.320 --> 03:02:38.320
that I put on myself.

03:02:38.320 --> 03:02:40.320
But not everybody has the flexibility.

03:02:40.320 --> 03:02:42.320
You have this stupid thing called meetings

03:02:42.320 --> 03:02:44.320
that you just have to do if you're working

03:02:44.320 --> 03:02:46.320
for a company or employer.

03:02:46.320 --> 03:02:48.320
The trick that you can play there

03:02:48.320 --> 03:02:50.320
is to

03:02:50.320 --> 03:02:52.320
organize meetings for 37

03:02:52.320 --> 03:02:54.320
minutes or 21

03:02:54.320 --> 03:02:56.320
minutes.

03:02:56.320 --> 03:02:58.320
It's a weird idea that I just gave you.

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Don't book for the full hour or full one hour

03:03:00.320 --> 03:03:02.320
or 30 minutes. Just do it for like

03:03:02.320 --> 03:03:04.320
I need 12 minutes for this meeting.

03:03:04.320 --> 03:03:06.320
I book it only for that time.

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And then everybody is in

03:03:08.320 --> 03:03:10.320
a rush to get out of the room at the end

03:03:10.320 --> 03:03:12.320
of 12 minutes. So what you will

03:03:12.320 --> 03:03:14.320
end up doing is finish the meeting before

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that. Otherwise you go away.

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That's it.

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That's how you should regulate yourself

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in a corporate situation.

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First of all reject

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any meeting invitation unless

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it has a clear goal as to what you want to accomplish.

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And then reduce

03:03:32.320 --> 03:03:34.320
the time it takes to actually have

03:03:34.320 --> 03:03:36.320
the meeting itself to an odd number.

03:03:36.320 --> 03:03:38.320
I will meet for

03:03:38.320 --> 03:03:40.320
12 minutes with you. That's it.

03:03:40.320 --> 03:03:42.320
Or let us be collaborative

03:03:42.320 --> 03:03:44.320
and agree to finish the meeting

03:03:44.320 --> 03:03:46.320
in 17 minutes because I have

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to go eat some

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paan or chai ki dukaan or something

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like that. Some random things.

03:03:52.320 --> 03:03:54.320
Make some random excuse and shrink

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the meeting time

03:03:56.320 --> 03:04:06.320
because meeting is a necessary evil.

03:04:06.320 --> 03:04:08.320
Does this help Vikas?

03:04:08.320 --> 03:04:10.320
Yes sir.

03:04:10.320 --> 03:04:12.320
Yes sir.

03:04:12.320 --> 03:04:14.320
Yes sir.

03:04:14.320 --> 03:04:16.320
Yes sir.

03:04:16.320 --> 03:04:18.320
Yes sir.

03:04:18.320 --> 03:04:20.320
Yes sir.

03:04:20.320 --> 03:04:22.320
Yes sir.

03:04:22.320 --> 03:04:24.320
Yes sir.

03:04:24.320 --> 03:04:26.320
Yes sir.

03:04:26.320 --> 03:04:28.320
Yes sir. Point is clear.

03:04:28.320 --> 03:04:30.320
Again one question.

03:04:30.320 --> 03:04:32.320
How to stay updated to this technology

03:04:32.320 --> 03:04:34.320
that is coming nowadays here?

03:04:34.320 --> 03:04:36.320
How to upskill ourselves

03:04:36.320 --> 03:04:38.320
according to that?

03:04:38.320 --> 03:04:40.320
The best way to upskill is to actually use it.

03:04:40.320 --> 03:04:42.320
Just

03:04:42.320 --> 03:04:44.320
whatever new thing comes, use it.

03:04:44.320 --> 03:04:46.320
Try it out.

03:04:46.320 --> 03:04:48.320
That's the best way to keep you up to date.

03:04:48.320 --> 03:04:50.320
And do searches.

03:04:50.320 --> 03:04:52.320
Experiment.

03:04:52.320 --> 03:04:54.320
Discuss with it.

03:04:54.320 --> 03:04:56.320
Make mistakes.

03:04:56.320 --> 03:04:58.320
Talk to your friends. Tweet about it.

03:04:58.320 --> 03:05:00.320
Crack jokes.

03:05:00.320 --> 03:05:02.320
Make memes

03:05:02.320 --> 03:05:04.320
like you did. Thank you Vikas.

03:05:04.320 --> 03:05:06.320
You did a beautiful meme.

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That's how you do it.

03:05:12.320 --> 03:05:14.320
Sir I was learning

03:05:14.320 --> 03:05:16.320
this web development.

03:05:16.320 --> 03:05:18.320
Two months back I started with HTML

03:05:18.320 --> 03:05:20.320
and now currently I am learning CSS.

03:05:20.320 --> 03:05:22.320
As you told someone that example

03:05:22.320 --> 03:05:24.320
of FreeCodeCamp. I am learning from

03:05:24.320 --> 03:05:26.320
there only. But

03:05:26.320 --> 03:05:28.320
the learning

03:05:28.320 --> 03:05:30.320
I do for two or three hours

03:05:30.320 --> 03:05:32.320
and if I just ask chatgpt

03:05:32.320 --> 03:05:34.320
to give me that

03:05:34.320 --> 03:05:36.320
whatever I did for two hours

03:05:36.320 --> 03:05:38.320
it just gives in

03:05:38.320 --> 03:05:40.320
within seconds. Now then I fear

03:05:40.320 --> 03:05:42.320
means what I am doing

03:05:42.320 --> 03:05:44.320
that AI is doing it

03:05:44.320 --> 03:05:46.320
within seconds. Am I doing

03:05:46.320 --> 03:05:48.320
it right or what shall I do?

03:05:48.320 --> 03:05:50.320
That question. Yes.

03:05:50.320 --> 03:05:52.320
I think I understand your question. You get

03:05:52.320 --> 03:05:54.320
afraid of AI because AI can produce a result

03:05:54.320 --> 03:05:56.320
faster than you can. That is going to be

03:05:56.320 --> 03:05:58.320
a truth. It is going to happen.

03:05:58.320 --> 03:06:00.320
It is already happening. And I think I already

03:06:00.320 --> 03:06:02.320
briefly mentioned about this. Where a

03:06:02.320 --> 03:06:04.320
doctor is writing a report and takes

03:06:04.320 --> 03:06:06.320
eight hours. AI comes in

03:06:06.320 --> 03:06:08.320
and writes the report in few

03:06:08.320 --> 03:06:10.320
seconds.

03:06:10.320 --> 03:06:12.320
The problem with AI is it is

03:06:12.320 --> 03:06:14.320
confidently

03:06:14.320 --> 03:06:16.320
wrong.

03:06:16.320 --> 03:06:18.320
It is bullshitting sometimes.

03:06:18.320 --> 03:06:20.320
utter nonsense.

03:06:20.320 --> 03:06:22.320
Go search on

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tell me about LV Nilesh.

03:06:24.320 --> 03:06:26.320
Go do Bard search. You will see

03:06:26.320 --> 03:06:28.320
the results. Some of them are

03:06:28.320 --> 03:06:30.320
hilarious.

03:06:30.320 --> 03:06:32.320
I even tweeted that and there is a Twitter

03:06:32.320 --> 03:06:34.320
thread on this

03:06:34.320 --> 03:06:36.320
Bard knows shit about Nilesh.

03:06:36.320 --> 03:06:38.320
You can search it. But you will see

03:06:38.320 --> 03:06:40.320
that there are some things that it is writing

03:06:40.320 --> 03:06:42.320
like a McKinsey consultant bullshitting

03:06:42.320 --> 03:06:44.320
with confidence.

03:06:44.320 --> 03:06:46.320
So it will produce a quick result

03:06:46.320 --> 03:06:48.320
about, it will produce the whole

03:06:48.320 --> 03:06:50.320
bio data, complete biography of

03:06:50.320 --> 03:06:52.320
me with every single thing I did in my life.

03:06:52.320 --> 03:06:54.320
Pretty darn accurate.

03:06:54.320 --> 03:06:56.320
But there are some glaring mistakes

03:06:56.320 --> 03:06:58.320
I can easily detect.

03:06:58.320 --> 03:07:00.320
So if I want to write a summary for me,

03:07:00.320 --> 03:07:02.320
for myself, on my own,

03:07:02.320 --> 03:07:04.320
I have to go talk to my wife.

03:07:04.320 --> 03:07:06.320
Hey, what were

03:07:06.320 --> 03:07:08.320
we doing that day or what were

03:07:08.320 --> 03:07:10.320
we doing and we lived in that country and then

03:07:10.320 --> 03:07:12.320
summarize it, make grammatical mistakes,

03:07:12.320 --> 03:07:14.320
correct them, takes me time.

03:07:14.320 --> 03:07:16.320
Instead of just ask Bard, hey,

03:07:16.320 --> 03:07:18.320
tell me about Nilesh. It gives you a

03:07:18.320 --> 03:07:20.320
stupid answer. Then you are able to

03:07:20.320 --> 03:07:22.320
easily detect the mistakes. You fix

03:07:22.320 --> 03:07:24.320
them and you have a good summary.

03:07:24.320 --> 03:07:26.320
In like 10 minutes as opposed to taking

03:07:26.320 --> 03:07:28.320
two hours to write yourself.

03:07:28.320 --> 03:07:30.320
So that's the way you use AI.

03:07:30.320 --> 03:07:32.320
Is to push the envelope

03:07:32.320 --> 03:07:34.320
of speed versus

03:07:34.320 --> 03:07:42.320
accuracy.

03:07:42.320 --> 03:07:44.320
It's not going to take your job away.

03:07:44.320 --> 03:07:46.320
It's going to help you in speeding up

03:07:46.320 --> 03:07:48.320
things that you do.

03:07:48.320 --> 03:07:50.320
So you're writing JavaScript?

03:07:50.320 --> 03:07:52.320
Well, you can write a better JavaScript program

03:07:52.320 --> 03:07:54.320
faster than yourself alone by using

03:07:54.320 --> 03:07:56.320
Bard or ChatGPD

03:07:56.320 --> 03:07:58.320
or some other tool.

03:07:58.320 --> 03:08:00.320
To produce a result.

03:08:00.320 --> 03:08:04.320
It's like, yeah.

03:08:04.320 --> 03:08:06.320
Okay, now I got it right.

03:08:06.320 --> 03:08:08.320
So don't be afraid of AI.

03:08:08.320 --> 03:08:10.320
Use it.

03:08:10.320 --> 03:08:12.320
To speed yourself up.

03:08:12.320 --> 03:08:14.320
And even improve on what you

03:08:14.320 --> 03:08:26.320
already do.

03:08:26.320 --> 03:08:28.320
Okay. He'll be.

03:08:28.320 --> 03:08:32.320
Coming online.

03:08:32.320 --> 03:08:34.320
Yeah.

03:08:34.320 --> 03:08:36.320
Thank you.

03:08:36.320 --> 03:08:38.320
Hi, Shilpi.

03:08:38.320 --> 03:08:40.320
Hello, sir.

03:08:40.320 --> 03:08:42.320
Hi.

03:08:42.320 --> 03:08:44.320
So actually I wanted to ask

03:08:44.320 --> 03:08:46.320
a very typical Indian question.

03:08:48.320 --> 03:08:50.320
It's a very typical

03:08:50.320 --> 03:08:52.320
Indian question as you know.

03:08:52.320 --> 03:08:54.320
I'm

03:08:54.320 --> 03:08:56.320
you know.

03:08:56.320 --> 03:08:58.320
And audio went bad.

03:08:58.320 --> 03:09:00.320
Audio went bad.

03:09:00.320 --> 03:09:02.320
Stand by. Come back. Come again.

03:09:02.320 --> 03:09:04.320
Audio is bad.

03:09:04.320 --> 03:09:06.320
Hello.

03:09:06.320 --> 03:09:08.320
Try it again.

03:09:10.320 --> 03:09:12.320
Yes, Shilpi. Please try again.

03:09:18.320 --> 03:09:20.320
No.

03:09:20.320 --> 03:09:22.320
Yes, go ahead.

03:09:22.320 --> 03:09:24.320
Ask again.

03:09:32.320 --> 03:09:34.320
She's silent.

03:09:34.320 --> 03:09:36.320
So

03:09:36.320 --> 03:09:38.320
I think she had bad connection.

03:09:38.320 --> 03:09:40.320
Shilpi, you can text me, DM me

03:09:40.320 --> 03:09:42.320
whatever you feel like. It's okay.

03:09:42.320 --> 03:09:44.320
DM is okay.

03:09:44.320 --> 03:09:46.320
Hi, Shilpi.

03:09:46.320 --> 03:09:48.320
Yes, I'm so sorry.

03:09:48.320 --> 03:09:50.320
I disconnected with him.

03:09:50.320 --> 03:09:52.320
No problem.

03:09:52.320 --> 03:09:54.320
Yes, I was saying

03:09:54.320 --> 03:09:56.320
that one of my cousins just

03:09:56.320 --> 03:09:58.320
got a job

03:09:58.320 --> 03:10:00.320
in the employment sector.

03:10:00.320 --> 03:10:02.320
And so now

03:10:02.320 --> 03:10:04.320
my family and other

03:10:04.320 --> 03:10:06.320
people, like most of the people

03:10:06.320 --> 03:10:08.320
are, you know, obviously it's a proud thing

03:10:08.320 --> 03:10:10.320
and it's a good thing that he got a job.

03:10:10.320 --> 03:10:12.320
Even I'm very happy for him.

03:10:12.320 --> 03:10:14.320
But now, you know, parents start

03:10:14.320 --> 03:10:16.320
comparing your growth with

03:10:16.320 --> 03:10:18.320
other people. Like, you know, that

03:10:18.320 --> 03:10:20.320
person did this. What are you doing?

03:10:20.320 --> 03:10:22.320
You're doing nothing or something like that.

03:10:22.320 --> 03:10:24.320
So what should

03:10:24.320 --> 03:10:26.320
we do in this situation? I'm in

03:10:26.320 --> 03:10:28.320
a very difficult position right now.

03:10:28.320 --> 03:10:30.320
At my house.

03:10:30.320 --> 03:10:32.320
I think that was the first thing I answered

03:10:32.320 --> 03:10:34.320
at the beginning of the discussion

03:10:34.320 --> 03:10:36.320
about two and a half hours ago.

03:10:36.320 --> 03:10:38.320
It's okay. It's okay. No worries.

03:10:38.320 --> 03:10:40.320
But I'll answer it again.

03:10:40.320 --> 03:10:42.320
So what you should chase.

03:10:42.320 --> 03:10:44.320
What is your goal?

03:10:44.320 --> 03:10:46.320
You should not compare

03:10:46.320 --> 03:10:48.320
yourself with anybody else.

03:10:48.320 --> 03:10:50.320
That's the first thing I want you to remember.

03:10:50.320 --> 03:10:52.320
Don't compare yourself with Amitabh Bachchan

03:10:52.320 --> 03:10:54.320
or Latta Mangeshkar.

03:10:54.320 --> 03:10:56.320
Don't do that. Don't compare

03:10:56.320 --> 03:10:58.320
yourself with somebody else.

03:10:58.320 --> 03:11:00.320
Because you are Shilpi.

03:11:00.320 --> 03:11:02.320
So what you should compare

03:11:02.320 --> 03:11:04.320
and try to become.

03:11:04.320 --> 03:11:06.320
You try to become the

03:11:06.320 --> 03:11:08.320
future Shilpi.

03:11:08.320 --> 03:11:10.320
The future Shilpi is like

03:11:10.320 --> 03:11:12.320
10 years older. So if you like 21 years

03:11:12.320 --> 03:11:14.320
old right now, you want to compare

03:11:14.320 --> 03:11:16.320
yourself with the 31 year old Shilpi.

03:11:18.320 --> 03:11:20.320
And let me tell you, you will

03:11:20.320 --> 03:11:22.320
never succeed in

03:11:22.320 --> 03:11:24.320
chasing and catching up.

03:11:24.320 --> 03:11:26.320
Never. Because by the time

03:11:26.320 --> 03:11:28.320
you are 31, that Shilpi

03:11:28.320 --> 03:11:30.320
plus 10 is 41.

03:11:32.320 --> 03:11:34.320
So she will keep ahead of you all the time.

03:11:34.320 --> 03:11:36.320
But that's what you are chasing.

03:11:36.320 --> 03:11:38.320
Not chasing Latta Mangeshkar.

03:11:38.320 --> 03:11:40.320
Not chasing Vikas

03:11:40.320 --> 03:11:42.320
or anybody else for that matter.

03:11:42.320 --> 03:11:44.320
Or your cousin.

03:11:44.320 --> 03:11:46.320
They are different people. You want to chase

03:11:46.320 --> 03:11:48.320
your future self.

03:11:50.320 --> 03:11:52.320
Bada ho ke kya banungi?

03:11:52.320 --> 03:11:54.320
That is the question.

03:11:54.320 --> 03:11:56.320
Even today I ask the same question

03:11:56.320 --> 03:11:58.320
ki mai bada ho ke kya banunga?

03:11:58.320 --> 03:12:00.320
Bhi to bada ho hi nahi hai.

03:12:00.320 --> 03:12:02.320
That is the question. Ki mai bada ho ke kya

03:12:02.320 --> 03:12:04.320
banunga is what I try to become.

03:12:06.320 --> 03:12:08.320
That's what you should chase.

03:12:08.320 --> 03:12:10.320
Your future Shilpi.

03:12:12.320 --> 03:12:14.320
The problem is like

03:12:14.320 --> 03:12:16.320
I understand that I have to chase

03:12:16.320 --> 03:12:18.320
future Shilpi. But the problem is

03:12:18.320 --> 03:12:20.320
what do I tell my parents?

03:12:20.320 --> 03:12:22.320
What do I do about their concern?

03:12:22.320 --> 03:12:24.320
Ignore them.

03:12:24.320 --> 03:12:26.320
I am sorry. But that's how it should be.

03:12:28.320 --> 03:12:30.320
Unko bata do ki

03:12:30.320 --> 03:12:32.320
Yes, you are my parents.

03:12:32.320 --> 03:12:34.320
I appreciate. I understand.

03:12:34.320 --> 03:12:36.320
But this is what I think is the right

03:12:36.320 --> 03:12:38.320
and that's what I will do.

03:12:38.320 --> 03:12:40.320
I will not listen to you

03:12:40.320 --> 03:12:42.320
and do that in a polite manner of course.

03:12:42.320 --> 03:12:44.320
But that's how you

03:12:44.320 --> 03:12:46.320
should basically tell them. Is you are

03:12:46.320 --> 03:12:48.320
going to be chasing your future self.

03:12:48.320 --> 03:12:50.320
They will understand.

03:12:50.320 --> 03:12:52.320
You have to make them understand.

03:12:54.320 --> 03:12:56.320
So making them understand is a difficult

03:12:56.320 --> 03:12:58.320
task actually.

03:12:58.320 --> 03:13:00.320
I know. I know it is difficult.

03:13:00.320 --> 03:13:02.320
They will start crushing you

03:13:02.320 --> 03:13:04.320
or they will start being

03:13:04.320 --> 03:13:06.320
desperate for ideas

03:13:06.320 --> 03:13:08.320
for themselves and for their kids

03:13:08.320 --> 03:13:10.320
as well. I know it very well.

03:13:10.320 --> 03:13:12.320
I am from India.

03:13:12.320 --> 03:13:14.320
I understand.

03:13:14.320 --> 03:13:16.320
I know it absolutely very well how things

03:13:16.320 --> 03:13:18.320
operate.

03:13:18.320 --> 03:13:20.320
Yes. But that's what you overcome.

03:13:20.320 --> 03:13:22.320
That's the first roadblock.

03:13:22.320 --> 03:13:24.320
First roadblock is your family.

03:13:28.320 --> 03:13:30.320
First roadblock is your family.

03:13:30.320 --> 03:13:32.320
They are not bad

03:13:32.320 --> 03:13:34.320
thinking. They are actually thinking good

03:13:34.320 --> 03:13:36.320
for you by the way. Just so you know they are thinking

03:13:36.320 --> 03:13:38.320
good things for you. Yes I know.

03:13:38.320 --> 03:13:40.320
That's what I said. I even

03:13:40.320 --> 03:13:42.320
understand what they are trying to say.

03:13:42.320 --> 03:13:44.320
But by saying all

03:13:44.320 --> 03:13:46.320
these things it won't help you.

03:13:46.320 --> 03:13:48.320
I know. So you should find a way

03:13:48.320 --> 03:13:50.320
to understand them.

03:13:54.320 --> 03:13:56.320
And also

03:13:56.320 --> 03:13:58.320
people treat government job as

03:13:58.320 --> 03:14:00.320
awards.

03:14:00.320 --> 03:14:02.320
It is also frustrating.

03:14:02.320 --> 03:14:04.320
It's like you want something

03:14:04.320 --> 03:14:06.320
here you go.

03:14:06.320 --> 03:14:08.320
Give me a second. I am getting a phone call. So I need to

03:14:08.320 --> 03:14:10.320
just message them. Hold on. Please stand by.

03:14:24.320 --> 03:14:26.320
I am back.

03:14:26.320 --> 03:14:28.320
So basically it is lunchtime

03:14:28.320 --> 03:14:30.320
and my wife is calling me to come down

03:14:30.320 --> 03:14:32.320
and get lunch. So that's

03:14:32.320 --> 03:14:34.320
what I will be doing. But I'll let

03:14:34.320 --> 03:14:36.320
these hands that are seeing. I'll

03:14:36.320 --> 03:14:38.320
answer them first.

03:14:38.320 --> 03:14:40.320
So go ahead.

03:14:40.320 --> 03:14:42.320
Himanshu

03:14:42.320 --> 03:14:44.320
Is that Himanshu as well?

03:14:44.320 --> 03:14:46.320
And because there are

03:14:46.320 --> 03:14:48.320
two hands I see.

03:14:54.320 --> 03:14:56.320
My question was

03:14:56.320 --> 03:14:58.320
that only means that parents

03:14:58.320 --> 03:15:00.320
so means my parents are also

03:15:00.320 --> 03:15:02.320
forcing me to do this government

03:15:02.320 --> 03:15:04.320
jobs thing. But I explained them that

03:15:04.320 --> 03:15:06.320
you can see his example

03:15:06.320 --> 03:15:08.320
of who has

03:15:08.320 --> 03:15:10.320
already done so much things. And

03:15:10.320 --> 03:15:12.320
he is also thinking about progressing

03:15:12.320 --> 03:15:14.320
in the future. Means he is

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studying the technology of the future.

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I also don't want to get stuck in this.

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I explained them for half an hour

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and then they said

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okay we will not force you.

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You do this development, this technology

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whatever you want to do.

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And secondly

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it takes time for everybody to understand each other.

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It's not like a 30 minute thing.

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It takes a lot of time.

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Thank you sir.

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Was it Himanshu speaking or because?

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Who was the person who spoke? I think

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it was because. So go ahead Himanshu.

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Hello.

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Yes. Go ahead Himanshu.

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Last question.

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Yes.

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Okay. Good evening sir.

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Sir my question is after working

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so many leadership positions for many years

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in different fields, how do you identify your

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mediocre talent? So right now I am the janitor.

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Jhadu Karmachari.

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So

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that's the reality.

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So it's not leadership.

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Basically

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titles are bullshit.

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What I am telling you is titles

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are bullshit.

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Is what you do is what matters.

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So see if you remember

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and read my profile, I don't have a title there.

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It says

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founder. Founder is an action

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of doing things.

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It's not a title. CEO is a

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title. Or some other

03:16:38.320 --> 03:16:40.320
nonsense is a title.

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But what you do is the action.

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So investor

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is a title. No it is not.

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It is the action of investing.

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Owner is a

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title. No it is not. It is the action

03:16:52.320 --> 03:16:54.320
of owning something.

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Founder is the action of founding

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something, building something, doing

03:16:58.320 --> 03:17:00.320
something.

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CEO is a bullshit title.

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Yes sir.

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Sir but how you

03:17:08.320 --> 03:17:10.320
identify your mediocre talent?

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There is no such thing. This person is not suitable.

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There is no such thing. No one is

03:17:14.320 --> 03:17:16.320
mediocre. There is no such thing.

03:17:16.320 --> 03:17:18.320
There is no one is a mediocre thing.

03:17:18.320 --> 03:17:20.320
There is no person who is mediocre.

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You cannot define a person like that.

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Because even I am an idiot

03:17:24.320 --> 03:17:26.320
at some time. Total

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idiot.

03:17:28.320 --> 03:17:30.320
So this good and bad

03:17:30.320 --> 03:17:32.320
fluctuates.

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A person who is good becomes bad

03:17:34.320 --> 03:17:36.320
and becomes good again and becomes

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mediocre. One person

03:17:38.320 --> 03:17:40.320
cannot be mediocre all the time.

03:17:40.320 --> 03:17:42.320
There is no such thing.

03:17:42.320 --> 03:17:44.320
So how do we

03:17:44.320 --> 03:17:46.320
identify that we are suitable

03:17:46.320 --> 03:17:48.320
for this job or not? By doing it.

03:17:50.320 --> 03:17:52.320
But

03:17:52.320 --> 03:17:54.320
at what parameter we can define

03:17:54.320 --> 03:17:56.320
that we are doing good?

03:17:56.320 --> 03:17:58.320
So the reference parameter to measure

03:17:58.320 --> 03:18:00.320
is how happy and successful

03:18:00.320 --> 03:18:02.320
the audience, the user, the customer

03:18:02.320 --> 03:18:04.320
is.

03:18:08.320 --> 03:18:10.320
Shema.

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Hi.

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Yes, Nilesh.

03:18:14.320 --> 03:18:16.320
Thank you.

03:18:16.320 --> 03:18:18.320
So yes, what I wanted to say to

03:18:18.320 --> 03:18:20.320
Himanshu. We were all

03:18:20.320 --> 03:18:22.320
at some point mediocre.

03:18:22.320 --> 03:18:24.320
Believe me. And the mistake

03:18:24.320 --> 03:18:26.320
of people is that they say, yes

03:18:26.320 --> 03:18:28.320
maybe Nilesh could do this

03:18:28.320 --> 03:18:30.320
because he has experience or he

03:18:30.320 --> 03:18:32.320
is so odd or whatever. No, no, no.

03:18:32.320 --> 03:18:34.320
Like also Nilesh and everyone

03:18:34.320 --> 03:18:36.320
here at some point

03:18:36.320 --> 03:18:38.320
struggled to do something. So you

03:18:38.320 --> 03:18:40.320
first need to believe in yourself.

03:18:40.320 --> 03:18:42.320
This is the start point, right?

03:18:42.320 --> 03:18:44.320
And basically why I wanted to

03:18:44.320 --> 03:18:46.320
talk, it's for Shilpi and

03:18:46.320 --> 03:18:48.320
Vikas. When they said

03:18:48.320 --> 03:18:50.320
OK, parents, etc.

03:18:50.320 --> 03:18:52.320
I also had some situation where

03:18:52.320 --> 03:18:54.320
my cousins or my friends

03:18:54.320 --> 03:18:56.320
saying to me, Shema, my family is

03:18:56.320 --> 03:18:58.320
not supporting me or does not believe

03:18:58.320 --> 03:19:00.320
in me. What should I do? And the

03:19:00.320 --> 03:19:02.320
answer is like Nilesh exactly

03:19:02.320 --> 03:19:04.320
precise. Unfortunately

03:19:04.320 --> 03:19:06.320
you need to ignore. But

03:19:06.320 --> 03:19:08.320
with all the respect, you

03:19:08.320 --> 03:19:10.320
will say to me, what are concrete

03:19:10.320 --> 03:19:12.320
steps that I need to do to succeed?

03:19:12.320 --> 03:19:14.320
If my family is not

03:19:14.320 --> 03:19:16.320
encouraging me or motivating

03:19:16.320 --> 03:19:18.320
me. First, you

03:19:18.320 --> 03:19:20.320
need to ignore. Keep your

03:19:20.320 --> 03:19:22.320
eyes, ears, everything closed.

03:19:22.320 --> 03:19:24.320
Second,

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figure out what you want.

03:19:26.320 --> 03:19:28.320
What is your goal? What you want

03:19:28.320 --> 03:19:30.320
as Shilpi or what you want

03:19:30.320 --> 03:19:32.320
as Vikas? What you want exactly

03:19:32.320 --> 03:19:34.320
to have? This is

03:19:34.320 --> 03:19:36.320
your goal. This is not our goal.

03:19:36.320 --> 03:19:38.320
And third thing,

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make a plan. Because the difference

03:19:40.320 --> 03:19:42.320
between a dream and a goal is

03:19:42.320 --> 03:19:44.320
the plan. How can I reach

03:19:44.320 --> 03:19:46.320
this goal? Like if I want to take

03:19:46.320 --> 03:19:48.320
a job or whatever, I want to make my

03:19:48.320 --> 03:19:50.320
own company. What are the steps

03:19:50.320 --> 03:19:52.320
that I need to do in

03:19:52.320 --> 03:19:54.320
order to achieve this goal?

03:19:54.320 --> 03:19:56.320
And once you have this

03:19:56.320 --> 03:19:58.320
Shilpi, you said this is quite frustrating,

03:19:58.320 --> 03:20:00.320
etc. Once you reached

03:20:00.320 --> 03:20:02.320
your goal and you succeeded

03:20:02.320 --> 03:20:04.320
with no one help, then you can

03:20:04.320 --> 03:20:06.320
prove to everyone else

03:20:06.320 --> 03:20:08.320
that you succeeded. And at this point,

03:20:08.320 --> 03:20:10.320
also your parents and everyone

03:20:10.320 --> 03:20:12.320
around you will believe in you.

03:20:12.320 --> 03:20:14.320
And this will no longer be

03:20:14.320 --> 03:20:16.320
discussed because you proved by

03:20:16.320 --> 03:20:18.320
action and not by words.

03:20:18.320 --> 03:20:20.320
That's it.

03:20:20.320 --> 03:20:22.320
Thank you, Shema.

03:20:22.320 --> 03:20:24.320
Shema is, by the way, awesome.

03:20:24.320 --> 03:20:26.320
I heard her

03:20:26.320 --> 03:20:28.320
one time speak three

03:20:28.320 --> 03:20:30.320
sentences and I immediately

03:20:30.320 --> 03:20:32.320
liked her. She's beautiful.

03:20:32.320 --> 03:20:34.320
I mean, not just the looks.

03:20:34.320 --> 03:20:36.320
Thanks.

03:20:42.320 --> 03:20:44.320
So, yes, I hope that this

03:20:44.320 --> 03:20:46.320
at least answer or

03:20:46.320 --> 03:20:48.320
help to get people

03:20:48.320 --> 03:20:50.320
do something and to

03:20:50.320 --> 03:20:52.320
act about their situation,

03:20:52.320 --> 03:20:54.320
whatever it is.

03:20:54.320 --> 03:20:56.320
I think, I

03:20:56.320 --> 03:20:58.320
hope this was useful.

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I don't see any more questions

03:21:00.320 --> 03:21:02.320
and no more raised hands.

03:21:02.320 --> 03:21:04.320
There is a raised hand,

03:21:04.320 --> 03:21:06.320
Vikas. Hi. Go ahead.

03:21:06.320 --> 03:21:08.320
I just wanted

03:21:08.320 --> 03:21:10.320
to say have a nice dinner.

03:21:10.320 --> 03:21:12.320
It's lunch.

03:21:12.320 --> 03:21:14.320
Yes, but yes, I understand.

03:21:14.320 --> 03:21:16.320
Thank you.

03:21:16.320 --> 03:21:18.320
Thank you. So I

03:21:18.320 --> 03:21:20.320
think we should disconnect this then.

03:21:20.320 --> 03:21:22.320
And I will catch you guys on the Twitter tweets

03:21:22.320 --> 03:21:24.320
and maybe organize another

03:21:24.320 --> 03:21:26.320
session at some point. I don't know when.

03:21:26.320 --> 03:21:28.320
Thank you. There's a question by

03:21:28.320 --> 03:21:30.320
Deepbiyansh. Hi. Go ahead.

03:21:32.320 --> 03:21:34.320
No, sir. There is no question. Thank you for

03:21:34.320 --> 03:21:36.320
your session and you motivate

03:21:36.320 --> 03:21:38.320
us a lot. That's it.

03:21:38.320 --> 03:21:40.320
We will not delay your lunch.

03:21:40.320 --> 03:21:42.320
You can eat.

03:21:42.320 --> 03:21:44.320
I will ask questions in the next session.

03:21:44.320 --> 03:21:46.320
Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, everybody,

03:21:46.320 --> 03:21:48.320
for joining. It was awesome.

03:21:48.320 --> 03:21:50.320
I appreciate you and your time.

03:21:50.320 --> 03:21:52.320
I'll catch you later. I'm disconnecting

03:21:52.320 --> 03:21:54.320
this now. Thank you and bye bye, Akshay

03:21:54.320 --> 03:21:56.320
for co-hosting.

03:21:56.320 --> 03:22:24.320
Thank you, Bhavuk. Thanks. Bye bye.

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